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What the Bible says about homosexuality | Kristin Saylor & Jim O’Hanlon | TEDxEdgemontSchool

What the Bible says about homosexuality | Kristin Saylor & Jim O’Hanlon | TEDxEdgemontSchool

Translator: Leonardo Silva
Reviewer: Ellen Maloney Jim O’Hanlon: I’ve finally
made it to Heaven. This is so beautiful,
and I’ve worked every day of my life making sure I’d make it here to heaven,
and I’m now finally here. I really want to meet the big guy. Do you know who the big guy is? Kristin Saylor: Ah, they told you
I was a guy? That’s cute. JOH: Are you the receptionist? KS: Yeah, no. Hi, I’m God.
JOH: You’re God? KS: Yeah, welcome to Heaven.
JOH: Hi. KS: So, just a couple of questions
to make sure you really belong here. JOH: I’m the perfect Christian.
All my life I’ve been a perfect Christian. KS: Well, let’s see about that. So, first off, I just
need you to assure me that you have categorically rejected
any scientific teaching that contradicts even
one word of the Bible. JOH: Absolutely, absolutely. KS: Great. And then, do you, based
on the authority of scripture, accept the existence of talking snakes? JOH: I do, they’re in Genesis 2. KS: And what about talking donkeys? JOH: Numbers 22. KS: Unicorns? JOH: Numbers 23. KS: And what about hoards of suicidal,
demon-possessed, cliff-jumping pigs? JOH: The Gospel of Mark,
the fifth chapter. KS: Very good, I’m impressed. I have just one final question then,
before I let you in. JOH: Alright. KS: Did you do as I told you and sell all your possessions
and give the money to the poor? JOH: Well, I … Wait, what now? KS: Ah … yeah.
I said it twice, actually. JOH: Were you serious about that? KS: Very serious. JOH: Oh … JOH: You may think that there are people
who take the Bible too seriously, people who throw out anything
that contradicts the Bible – science, history … What this skit is asking you
to think about is maybe they’re not
taking the Bible seriously enough. Maybe they’re very serious
about the Bible, if they can use it to judge other people, if they can use it to shame somebody
or to punish somebody. But if the Bible was used
to turn back on themselves and they were to evaluate themselves
and examine their own conscience, if the Bible was to be humbling them, then they might not
take the Bible so seriously. These people say that they want
the Bible to be taken literally, in its entirety it should
always be literal, and that’s ridiculous, you can’t do that. When the Bble says, “God is our rock,
our sword, our shield,” when the Bible says,
“The Lord is my shepherd,” we can’t take those literally. But there are people
who are rigidly saying that the Bible needs
to always be taken literally. They think it gives it some kind
of force that they can use, that they can win arguments,
that they can settle the debate, by saying, “This is literal. It is cut and dried,
it is straight-forward.” They’re these people who believe
that they can overpower other people, with their argument,
by saying, “The Bible says it,” people in positions of great authority. Just last month, a US congressman
from District 1 in Texas stood on the floor
of the House of Representatives and said, “The government wants us
to forget about the Bible.” He says, “In the Bible, it says God
created the male and female, period. No questions marks.” So he’s got this idea that he doesn’t want
people talking about sexual orientation. He doesn’t want people
talking about gender identity as something distinct
from biological gender. He’s got this idea
that we need to just follow that without any ambiguity, without questions, just keeping the status quo. He believes that he can use that by saying the Bible
must be taken literally, and it settles his argument. These people have
bumper stickers that say, “God said it, I believe it,
that settles it,” which they could probably
shorten down to say, “I believe it, that settles it.” Because that’s what they’re saying, they want these things
to be cut and dried, and clear. It’s interesting that people believe they can take the Bible
to drive through their point of view, because the Bible doesn’t have
one point of view. The Bible does not speak with one voice. The Bible does not have
one definition of God. It doesn’t have one way of describing God. The Bible does not have one theology. We think if the Bible
could be consistent of one thing, it would be consistent
about describing God, about the language we use
and how we understand God. The Bible does not have
one definition of marriage. It doesn’t have one model of marriage. There’s no consistent ethic about
sexuality going throughout the Bible. The Bible speaks with these many voices. The Bible, really properly
speaking, is not a book. It’s an anthology. It’s really a library with a wide
variety of spiritual wisdom, things that have different ideas
and speak with different voices. The Bible has all these voices
and all these ideas throughout it. It’s not just one book with one point
that it’s trying to drive home. The Bible has these many voices. And there are many stories in the Bible, and many of these stories are told
from different points of view, from different perspectives
and different voices. KS: So given the amount of media
attention the Bible has received recently with respect to issues of gay marriage,
gender-neutral bathrooms, it would be easy for us
to come to the conclusion that the Bible has a lot to say
about homosexuality, and it ain’t good. But in reality, if you take
the Bible as a whole and look at, percentage-wise, how much of the content is devoted
to the issue of homosexuality, it is less than one percent. Statistically speaking,
it just is not a priority for the Bible. And the few stories that do speak
to the topic of same-sexuality are often taken out of proportion
and out of context. One of the most famous examples of these
texts is the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, which some of you might be familiar with. It’s a story that has become famous because of anti-sodomy laws
that exist in some places still today and this concept of sodomy
that is derived from this Bible story. And “sodomy” is a word
that we throw around a lot, without necessarily
understanding what it means. We might have an idea
that it refers to gay sex, that it’s somehow bad, when in reality, it has
a very specific definition, and it is any sexual act
that is not procreative. So that opens the door wide to a whole host of things
that are not limited to same-sex couples. And that’s interesting to remember in a context where our society loves
to take the Bible out of context and use it for its own purposes. So what does the story
of Sodom and Gomorrah actually say? Once upon a time,
there was a city called Sodom, and there were two men traveling, trying to find a place to stay
in the city limits. They were having zero luck. They were about to give up
and spend the night in the town’s square. But a man named Lot took pity on them and let them crash
at his house for the night. Good thing he did, because not five minutes later,
the town mob came banging on his door, demanding that he bring his guests out,
that they might “know” them. Now, when the Bible says
“know” in this context, it’s not saying, “Hey, nice to meet you!
Let me shake your hand!” No. It’s, “Let us know them intimately,
sexually,” and in this case, violently. We’re talking in this case
about gang rape. And the story continues. Lot begs the mob, “Please, I beg you,
do not act so wickedly.” He then turns and offers his two
virgin daughters to the mob in exchange, which is all kinds of twisted. And then, the story ends when God
gets angry at the whole situation and destroys the whole
city for their sins. But what exactly was the sin of Sodom? Was it men sleeping with men, or was it an angry mob
banging on a man’s door and demanding to rape his house guests? And you can see how quickly
we leap to conclusions and how quickly that begins
to affect our judgment. JOH: So what does the story say?
And what does the story not say? The story describes an entire city
that converges upon one house for the purpose of raping
these two people. Does that mean that this is
a story about two adults who want to have
a consenting relationship, who want to publicly affirm
a monogamous relationship and their commitment to each other? How does it really connect it all to that
when its talking about an entire city that wants to have
a mass rape of two people? So you see this man, Lot, who sees this,
and he stands against them, one person who stands
against the entire city. He sees these two people,
he sees they’re vulnerable, they’re traveling, they’re far from home, they’re people who could be preyed upon, they’re foreigners, they don’t belong. So they’re weak and susceptible
in so many ways, and he wants to protect them. And when the city says, “Let them come out
here because we want to know them,” he begs them not to do this wicked thing. And when he stands against the whole city, they then turn onto him and say,
“You know what, Lot? You haven’t been here all that long.
You’re not really one of us. You don’t have the same beliefs like us.” So this is Lot, a man who himself
is vulnerable in this situation, who’s going to put himself out for someone
who is even more vulnerable than he is. And as we heard, he says,
“Take my daughters instead,” which raises the issue of: why would someone insist
that you have to literally read this and you have to unquestionably
apply the morality in a way that you must be obedient to it? So when the Bible talks about
what was the sin of Sodom, you can look throughout the Bible: over hundreds of centuries,
it keeps referring back to Sodom and how bad Sodom was
and how wicked Sodom was, but what is it specifically
that the Bible is talking about? Is it talking about same-sex partners, or ir it talking about violence
and violating people sexually? There’s a part in the Bible,
just a little bit further, in the book of Ezekiel, where it talks about
what Sodom did that was so wrong. And it says in Ezekiel, “Now, this was
the sin of your sister Sodom.” And it’s saying “sister”
just in a metaphorical way. These cities are all in a location.
They’re sister cities. They refer to the population as daughters. But they’re talking about the city
and its population. “Now, this was the sin
of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were overfed,
arrogant and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did
detestable things before me.” So it seems this thing
has become something that’s used to target a minority group, to say that this minority should be
shunned and they should be punished, when it’s talking about how the people
who are weakest among us, the people who need us the most,
the most vulnerable people among us, are people that we need
to be thinking about. So when people look at the Bible, they need to think about
all these different literary types: love songs, poems,
different kinds of literature, people dealing with big life questions. There’s all different kinds
of literature and genres. And when we read something in the Bible,
we need to put it in its literary context, we need to put it
in its historical context, understand who these people are
and what the time period was. KS: So when we read the Bible
in our own context, especially in light
of the recent attention that issues of the LGBTQ
community have received, it’s important to do two things. And the first is exactly
what we have been doing: to take the texts that do talk
about homosexuality, few though they may be, and really dig into them
and read them for ourselves and ask, “What do they really say
and what do they really not say? And then, what does that mean?” And the other thing we can do
is read the Bible in context, as a whole, in all of its multiple
and diverse voices, and ask, “What counter-voices could we lift up
that might actually be queer-positive?” Now, that’s different from saying that the Bible somehow
has a hidden gay agenda, because it doesn’t. It really doesn’t have any agenda. But there are different voices that stand in contrast to the ones
that the media would have us lift up. One of the most powerful examples,
I think, is from the book of Acts, which is basically the story
of the earliest years of Christianity, in which people like Peter and Paul
are going out into all the world, sharing what they’ve learned
and been taught by Jesus and encountering on the way a whole lot
of diverse and unexpected scenarios. And one of those is when the apostle
Philip is on a road, traveling somewhere, and he meets and Ethiopian eunuch. Now, what is that? Well, Ethiopian, in this case, is just shorthand for anyone
from Africa, south of the Sahara, with dark skin. So there you go:
an outsider on one count, because of the way he looks. And a eunuch is a man
who worked on a royal court and had undergone ritual castration, so that he could serve the monarchy without posing the threat of producing
male heirs who could usurp the throne. Now, eunuchs, in Judaism
of that day and age, were not full members of society. They were subject to all kinds
of ritual prohibitions, they were excluded … So again, you have a double outsider
in this Ethiopian eunuch. And what happens? Well, he and Philip get to talking,
one thing leads to another … Next thing you know, the eunuch is saying, “Hey, look! Here’s a pool of water
on the side of the road. What is to prevent me from being baptized, from becoming a full member
of this community, right here, right now?” And Philip says, “Sure. Let’s do it.” He doesn’t interrogate him
about his sexual practices. He doesn’t say, “Oh nah,
you’re not qualified.” No! He just welcomes him on the spot. And that story is a powerful counter-voice that values inclusion and acceptance
of someone who, in today’s context, might have some parallels
with the transgender community. Another example that I’d like
to leave you with – there are many – is from the letter to the Galatians, which is a very early piece
of Christian correspondence in which Paul is describing
what the afterlife is like. And he says, “In Christ,
there is neither Jew nor Greek, there’s neither slave nor free, and there’s neither male nor female.” So he’s radically just erasing
all the boundaries and distinctions that we put up among ourselves and saying, “In the end,
none of that matters.” So my question to you is:
what does it mean to say that, in Christ,
there’s neither male nor female, in a world where people
are insisting that the Bible says, “No, actually there is male and female,” and that affects what kind
of bathrooms we have and that affects what kind
of marriage we have? And in reality, what the Bible says
is much more complex than that. JOH: And why do we even care
what the Bible says, these stories from
thousands of years ago? If you look at our society, we’ve made
so much progress just in this generation, in terms of our understanding
of homosexuality. The medical community,
just a generation ago, was describing
homosexuality as a disorder. They’ve rewritten those manuals to no longer describe
homosexuality as a disorder. Now, it’s one of a different
range of sexualities. Legally and politically,
we’ve come so far. Just in the past couple of decades,
just in this time now, just in the lifetime
of these high school students, the Supreme Court has overturned
laws that were against sodomy, the Supreme Court’s said
there’s marriage equality. Why would we go back thousands of years, tens of thousands of years, when we’ve made so much progress
just in the recent time in our understanding of human sexuality? The reason is because
people still continue to base their values and their morality
on these old scriptures. People still look
to their religious traditions and to the understandings they get
from these religious traditions, they continue to undergird, they continue to be the foundation
of our science, of our laws. So we need to understand what are the beliefs and values
that people are coming with. And we see there are still people whose beliefs and values
lead them to discriminate. This congressman who stood on the floor
of the House of Representatives last month doesn’t want people talking
about equality for same-sex couples. He doesn’t want people
talking about gender identity as something that can be defined
different from biological gender. And he wants to use the Bible
because he believes he can use that to push across his point and tell people
that they can’t argue with that. We need to be looking at the Bible and understanding
the values and the morality that people should be getting from it, because people continue to discriminate
and people even continue to use violence. We see gay and lesbian and transgender
and homosexual people, young people, high school people,
continuing to be discriminated against, harassed, ridiculed, tormented. We continue to see stories
like Tyler Clementi, 18 years old. Just back in 2003, his roommate thought it would be fun to videotape him
having an intimate moment. He ended up taking his own life. And there are many stories like this,
so that’s why this is important. In Greenwich Village, just in 2013,
a man went around, harassing people, giving people a hard time because
he thought they were gay or lesbian, confronting them and tormenting them. Finally, he goes up to one man and starts to interact
and to have an altercation with him, until he finally takes out
a gun and shoots him. Mark Carson, 32 years old,
killed because he was gay, walking in Greenwich Village, just a few blocks away
from the Stonewall Inn, where the modern
Gay Rights Movement began. That’s why these scriptures matter, and that’s why it matters
that we look at them and that’s why it matters
that we take them seriously. We take these stories seriously, and we take the lessons
that we draw from them seriously. We see the story of Lot, a man who stands against an entire city that believes that they can discriminate
against people because they’re outsiders. He stands against them
for their discrimination, he stands against them
because of their violence, because they want to violate
these people sexually, and we see this as a very serious story
for us, that we can learn from today. And that’s why we stand here today, saying that we believe
that being gay is not a sin. Period. Thank you. (Applause)

Reader Comments

  1. I can't believe that these two are pretending to know God and are teachers? False teachers… my brother is also a false teacher getting people to agree with his man made theologies. I get upset, people just read your bible… read the KJV and the truth will be read and seen for what it is… you will see that these people are false… sad, very sad

  2. Old Testimate is intrepatated. It always being studied by Rabbis to the point as to why one word was used over the different.

  3. I've heard the bible twisted before, but these speakers twisted it to a whole new level. All the bible illustrations they quoted were so twisted that they, quite frankly, lied! It would take too long to list all their lies, but go read the bible chapters quoted and you'll see for yourself how ridiculous their lies are. Plus, they left out those bible passages that specifically referred to homosexuality as a sin…how convenient.

  4. I am very wary of evangelical Christians who proclaim that the Bible is the word of God and all that nonsense.

  5. 2 Timothy 4. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

  6. Wow, what a load of crazy. 2 people who don't believe in the Bible teaching about it. So many of their points are wrong. Not to mention they are literally teaching to ignore what the Bible teaches. Wow. Just, wow. This is exactly the problem, two people who have read something, and yet understand nothing about it.

  7. Doctrines of demons. Your "wisdom" is folly. The Holy Spirit clearly wasn't your teacher. A spirit was but not Him. Your commentary is luke warm and if you do not repent you will be spat out. Unpalatable speech that is in the spirit of antichrist.

  8. I, honestly have no idea what the Bible says about homosexuality and I believe God, loves anyone who does good for one another but with that being said, I believe the plumbing doesn't fit for a reason.

  9. Please read your Bible in prayer!!! What these two people are decievers!!!! Stop "teaching" lies, and mistruths.

  10. Homosexuality is not a sin!? I dont know what bible you're reading from. But you all do what you want, you won't be answering to me.

  11. Jesus Christ said '‘Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one’?”

    Jesus Christ said 'Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's

    clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves'

    A lot of people also get hurt and murder not only specific socially construct gender.

  12. Well I guess you can bend anything to make your argument and reverse the simple message. I think nature has more truths.

  13. I still think it is funny that such large portion of earth believes in a book that was written by a man a thousands of years ago. What is so hard about being kind and having sympathy? Why do we need books and rules teaching us how to love and be kind?

  14. This was very painful to watch, what with all the misinterpretation, left out information, an overall (forgive my language), nonsense.

  15. God told all people to sell their possession and give to the poor? What a great way to manipulate scripture. This episode is when Jesus encounters the rich young ruler who wanted to know what he needed to do to inherit eternal life. He had told Jesus that followed all the commandments and asked what one thing did he lack. He was told to go, sell all that he has, give to the poor, and follow Jesus, making it clear he didn't follow all the commandments. That encounter was about not being in love with material riches. When the young man went away with sadness because he had been told to give up his riches, Jesus made the point to say how hard it'd be for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.

  16. So, these two, as all others, are interpreting the bible as they wish to fit what they wish. interpret as much as you want, the word of "god". Religion is the worst human invention ever. Created and creates nothing but hate and separation, war, hatred and ALL due to Imagining some unknown, never-seen being. humans. NUTTS!!!!

  17. So sad,.. They try so hard to rationalize their views. Circular reasoning… Homosexuality is litterally wrong guys, you are spending so much energy trying to cast doubt on Gods word,.. I feel sorry for you. You can't cast doubt on scriptures by asking silly questions about it. You know in your heart what is true, just like satan knew the truth when he asked Eve " you won't surely die"… I love that you're reading your bible, don't worry, the Holy Spirit will give you clarity. 😊

    This video is nothing more then LGBTQIA propaganda.

  19. DON’T READ THE COMMENTS! Full of stone throwers and hypocrites 🤷‍♀️

    My guiding verse is “LOVE ONE ANOTHER.” Jesus said it. I also try my hardest not to judge others before getting to know them…😏

    Peace out, dudes ☮️

  20. All you have to do is look at the male and female form to determine the natural design for procreation. Too simple

  21. We don’t work to get to Heaven… sheesh where do these people get their theology? It ain’t the Bible sheesh

  22. I want to say people of this comments section…you all give me hope that God's wisdom is still alive and well in so many. Thanks for calling out the bull $%&$. Love you all!

  23. I am not believing this as the Bible is always going to be hard to fully know as it has been through thousands of translations from 2 languages not many foreigners to those countries can soeak or even read. Many books were taken out of it.

    Plus, alot of you dont know what it feels like to be a LITERAL outcast and have rarely anyone in your religion to say "God loves you". You really don't know how it feels ro spiral down thinking and being told that even your spiritual father and brother detest you.

  24. Both of these presenters are wrong! The Bible is clear on its status of homosexuality being a sin! These people are looking for a way to justify the sinful life that they feel they cannot change. They can change ….. anyone can change but only with Christ. Do not be fooled by this presentation pick up your Bible and read the many many many many verses in Scripture that blatantly label it a sin. They are taking versus out of context and are incorrect in their interpretations.

  25. Thank you for helping me to see your beliefs about these politically charged issues. You are right Jesus IS love. And He did not condone, he forgave, anyone breaking the laws God has indicated in the Old Testament & reiterated in the New Testament ..Because He paid the penalty for breaking the law. Do you believe that murder has become an archaic law too? The amount of attention given to this subject in the scriptures is in proportion to the percentage of the actual population that struggles against said command. Yes we all struggle about showing kind, compassion thus more scripture. READ THE BOOK. ALL OF IT. FOLLOW IT. No matter what you self identify as. Let the Love of Jesus rule ALL you do, thus fulfilling the law.

  26. I'm very flexible with a lot of things, but this hermeneutical spiral puts nothing in context.. I have nothing against the LGBTQ community, people have the right to choose and sin in any way they see fit, but I will never be a part of it either. Christians are called to love, not to judge and hate. But love without truth and order is not love.. Sorry!

  27. She didn't mention Jesus.
    Jesus said it in John 14:6.
    ( I ) cannot enter into heaven without Jesus Christ.
    ( my works )good things I have done for others won't get me into heaven, Jesus Christ is the only way.
    ( giving to others )won't get me into heaven, Jesus Christ will.
    ( my righteousness )won't do it
    My righteousness IS IN JESUS CHRIST.
    You can't get to heaven by doing it yourself. Only through Jesus Christ can you enter heaven.

  28. Read Genesis 2:24 it is very firm that a man will leave his family and find a wife and become one in flesh with her he doesn't say anything about a man with a man or a woman with a woman are youse guys Catholics

  29. The Bible (which one, which version) interpreted differently by over a 1000 church denominations, how can that be the unmistakable word of a God. Virtually any University philosophy department could produce a book that would be a far better guidebook that any version of the Bible.

  30. Whites people shouldn't be allowed to preach the word of God.They are the heathens and gentiles the Bible talk about.They are false prophets and angels of darkness pretending to be angels of light.

  31. As an atheist, I can’t roll my eyes hard enough at these jokers grossly disfiguring Christianity in an attempt to catch up with secular morality 🙄

  32. This is the worst butchering of God’s Word that I have EVER seen. First of all, the two “men” were angels sent by God to destroy Sodom and Gemorah beforehand and to rescue Lot before the destruction. And the angels rescued themselves and Lot by making the wicked men blind.

  33. First lets use god name Jehovah! The Bible was written over thousands of years ,Lets go back to the beginning god created a man Adam this was not good for the man to be on his own so he created a Woman Jehovah went on to say multiply and fill the earth he did not create two men or two women.This was first marriage the act of homosexuality is condoned numerous times in the bible Jehovah does not detest the people who practice homosexuality .It is the act of male on male or female on female that is forbidden .The Bible says Jehovah loves all people but what he set in stone in the beginning never changed the story is the same all the way through the books ,if we cant accept that basic principle then why bother at all we follow the bible as close as we can we don't pick bits out we like and bits we dont is this not what Paul was refering to in saying having a form of godly devotion but godly devotion but denying its power .It is easy to pick bits out we like and bits we don't having our ears tickled The message is not loathing of people but the practices and sins we all commit everyone can be forgiven if the want for all our sins

  34. i dont know why these two people even try to act like they care one iota about what the bible says when they say what they are saying its clear they have no honer whats so ever about what the bible says , and why do they even care about what the bible says anyway its there lives to live they can choose death or life why do they bring in the bible i mean is they want to do bad just do bad on your own dont try to justify it with the bible that you dont care anything about what it says , and who is going to listen to untrained bible students who have no idea of the spirit of what the bible is saying not me

  35. these two people have no respect for the bible what so ever they start by tearing down right away talking about unicorns wow, come on the bible is talking there about a rinoceros

  36. Love them 🙂 The moment all those super duper christians should give away all their money they think their 10% is making themso holy 😀

  37. Lets us develop our consciousness instead of fighting here about the bible. Some here are even ready to die just because of the bible.

  38. These people are not real Christians, the bible is supposed to be taken seriously because most of the bible is in gods words! Some spoken from people who followed Jesus and built a relation ship with god! God gave you free will because he wants us to make our own decisions, this does not make all of our decisions ok.

  39. Jesus said why do you call me Lord Lord and not do the things I say. Then he said many will say to me on that day Lord Lord have we not PROPHECIED in your name and cast out many demons. And I will say get away from me you who break God's law. I never knew you. Throw them into the furnace of fire there will be weeping and knashing of teeth.

  40. all you people arguing…and for what purpose? (it is just ego/selfishness)…suppose a cataclysm wiped out all civilisation and data of human history and only a handful of children survived.would the new society sprung from them not discover a fruitful life and genuine spiritual connection to the world simply because the name and history of christianity no longer exists? they would likely be more pure and spiritual, freed from all this ridiculous baggage you all carry. seriously, this silly video and the insecure youtube commentators would not exist. none of this matters…the true source of all has no name, and cannot be labelled, understood or explained. but if you free yourself of baggage the true divine source communicates directly with you without need of all these stories and rules and books, and you will instinctively know right from wrong and you will certainly know homosexuality is not wrong.

  41. Oh my goodness… first off.. the old testament was GOD'S TEACHINGS!!!!!!!!. THEY WERE NOT JESUS CHRIST'S. when Jesus was born, God gave him to save us from any future sins, like those of and in sodom and gomorrah, so that GOD wouldn't have to hurt his children like that. So he commanded JESUS to create and spread new COMMANDMENTS. New TEACHINGS, to open a new way of thinking, living, understanding and LOVING!!! So that, when accepting JESUS CHRIST and his teachings and his word, we will be saved, and washed clean. Regardless of sin, we were all meant to be saved, and GOD doesn't make mistakes.Goodness y'all on these comments, and this video, sillyness

  42. Now finally church is thinking like this and now they stand on stage teaching us? It's been church that did all the bad. That's hypocrisy. All in order to continue to be in power.

  43. One of the worst TED talks I've ever viewed it is so full of s*** and Miss guiding it doesn't even stick to the proper narrative

  44. Unless a person becomes born again he or she will not understand the triune God.
    John 3:3 (NASB)

    3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.

    Those without the Holy Spirit indwelling them will rely on their own "worldly knowledge" since the things of the bible will seem like "foolishness" to them.
    1 Cor.2:14
    14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

  45. for someone to use the Holy bible to defend homosexuality( (which is an abomination) is the height of it, man have truly departed from the true way of God, which many of God's prophet like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel prophesied against. There is no biblical justification of homosexuality.

  46. I could have sworn that the bible said man kind does not lay with man kind as he would with womankind. In short. Don't do it. Now should you shun homosexuals? I don't think so. But you should not celebrate there doings either. Should they be turn away from church no since they are in need in a Salvation for a different reason as all our reason may vary. But as far as so many still and will believe that Homosexuality like it or not is still a disorder and still a sin.

  47. Thats not how the story goes, you should have read the story directly from the bible, the two people who stayed with Lot were angels send by god. God destroyed Sodam because he could not find one person who was believer and lived good lives, Abraham begged fpr the city but also didn't find anyone good in it, the men lusting after the two angels was the last straw for God and the City was burned down by the Angels

  48. The more important question is "why is anybody reading the buybull in the first place?" It is the most poorly written work of fiction ever written. If such tripe were presented to a publisher today, it would go directly into the circular file, where it rightly belongs.

  49. The opening skit had so many misrepresentations of christianity that i was amazed that there was even more in the actual talk.

  50. If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. Leviticus 20:13

  51. I fully support all LGBT people, but find it amusing that these two completely omitted discussing the passage that particularly states that homosexuals should be stoned and their blood be upon them. I don't think they have the intellect to get around that passage.

  52. Wrong, misleading title. They discussed not what the Bible says about homosexuality. Their arguments are flawed. They speak of context but they are the ones glaringly explaining out of context.

  53. Homosexuality is detestable because its obscure lust and fornication..especialy abusing the act of procreation and the orifices not meant for pleasure but for defecation..or consumption

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