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The Old Gun Markets of Kabul

The Old Gun Markets of Kabul

hey guys welcome to another episode on tfbtv today we are here on a place called chicken Street otherwise known as pajama ha in Kabul which isn't shown in that and this is famous because there's a lot of antique dealers here there's a lot of old stuff dealers here there's just a lot of old shops here that sell mostly peddling to tourists and that kind of thing and things that are really old here and the streets kind of known for this so poor get off I want to thank Ventura munitions real quick thanks a lot for the support the Shanno and for allowing us to shoot this kinds of stuff and for the equipment and that kind of thing I'd also really like to thank the shopkeeper here who would like to stay off-camera of doing the shooting of this I'd like to thank him a lot for helping us out this episode and opening up his shop to some of the interesting small arms that are available here so talking about it now and then Teek market right in Afghanistan there's a couple of invariants of it mainly you have a lot of the siapa funds that we talked about before interesting and there's actually two versions that are sold there's actually a you know a copy version that's a modern-day thing some of them are not even most of them are not even functional which they're used to literally just hang up on walls the other ones are you know very real legitimate old ones that you saw on the previous one that I had earlier that was an actual model from the 1800s interesting they're long this is actually a copy 100% copy it sold as a copy that's not trying to be sold as a original or anything this is literally for someone who just wants you know what you perversion of these you can tell it's a copy because the wood is brand spanking new I mean there's no weather and here at all you can even see you know the recent chip marks in it where it was recently made it has all the aspects that we saw it from a for the odd sling swivel you know right by here the lack of a trigger guard which is right over here it functions it functions and there's the flash pan and here's the trigger oh there it goes but it's not it functions just to the point of being looking nice it's not not something that you'd want to shoot it all probably blow up in their face so this is 200 US 200 US visit chicken Street and this can be yours within octagonal barrel as well the next is a British one round the best this is what British soldiers would have carried at during the American Revolution this is what they would have carried in that disastrous 1844 tea to retreat from Kabul to Jalalabad British uses for about a hundred years that's an extremely long service life and m16 is about to reach this as well wanting to think about but anyways this is a brown bess smoothbore musket no sights no rear sight there's a front sight but that's about it it's very beefy in the hands um this thing there are a number of different versions made there is an Indian pattern made that these two india company used there's I think our team versions made there was a cavalry version what I mean by artillery is they simply shortened it a lot because they warned our hilly crews to be able to use it so the flip the lock is over here flash Pam and this is functional and for all intensive purposes this appears to be an original although I am NOT a brown bess expert I would not know 350 350 and this old brown vest could be yours if you'd come to Kabul alright so brown bess interesting piece so do you remember when I was talking about the brown vest seven different versions well why I showed you previously had a flintlock right this is still brown bess but it's percussion and there's the lock over here the british upgraded this sometime after definitely after the 1842 retreat that would not have been using these in Kabul around that time definitely later upgraded a number of different things you can tell there's a sort of piece right here we can put your hand on while you're holding there in addition they actually put a rear sight on it right here very rudimentary rear sight can't do much with it at all you're still you still have a smoothbore musket though it still works we got half cock and then full cock over here and then boom so next up we have a pattern 1853 which this the British started going to rifling and this guy seems a good condition I think the stock is varnished we can tell percussion cap still going in place the date on here is 1861 tower rifle British proof marks are here as well this bad boy goes for five hundred dollars five hundred us and you can pay for it in cash here on chicken Street alright guys so next up we have a pattern 1853 Calgary carbon and these are kinda cool like I picked one up just now I'm like handling it like these are designed for dudes on horses and they had this sweet nifty you know one-point adapter where you can actually sling it on your horse and then have it sitting right there so it wouldn't jump out I'm an addition to the sling swivels which are right here and right here but the whole thing is you know a sweet little tactical piece if you can think about it but so another neat feature about this is the ramrod is actually captive to the rifle so you pull the RAM hot out right and then you can use it just like this boom and then load your powder and load your ball in here and then bring it back in and then put it right here and then you get your percussion and it's a rifle ball more then you can fire like that it has the rear sight very rudimentary rear sight I might have had great it looks like it could break if it can but looks like for a hundred two hundred and three hundred yards or meters at that time overall just a really nice little piece right here so this one is three hundred us if you want to come here and buy it three hundred us for a sweet little carbine here the next up in the line of progression here this is where the British start going to a case cartridges self-contained metallic cartridges right with the schneider rifle rifle bore percussion cap but it's not percussion all this does is it simply fires the round that's inside here it fires a traditional metallic cartridge case this is sort of the age of breech loading when the bridge was started in the brief shouting rifles we had the same thing in America with 1873 trapdoor Springfield how it works is you simply pop they hammer oak through the rear and if I can get this open alright this thing is a little bit rusty here but if you there's a little lever on this side and you pop this open and then now you have an open area where in which you can put your cartridge in you put your cartridge in over here slide it to the very front lock it you can tell there's a firing pin on this side and then you lock it and then when you fire it you're actually pressing down on this little cap here which presses down on the primer in the cartridge so fire Hathcock bang and then it goes off interestingly so this this is a british in the field alright it's got british proof markings and everything on it but interestingly these were actually made here in call bowls well the machine climb out which we've talked about in previous episodes as well if you want to see more about that but so Afghans actually used this in the 1800s initiative martini henry's martini Henry's were mostly produced at the Machine econo but this was also produced there as well a little-known fact here guys here run for about $400 u.s. on the market here alright so coming to sort of at the end of our design progression now we're at the martini-henry right puttin in forty five caliber I think it's point four or five five if I'm not mistaken but these run about three hundred dollars here this particular martini that is for sale at the shop here is kind of neat because it has some interesting trigger work that was done to have a little grip on the trigger the lever doesn't appear to space cut but it's probably fine so we can fire it there it goes in addition on the inside of it it has this interesting description it says John Muhammad John John Muhammad right it says John Muhammad here probably one of the previous user of it as well and this is an English LSA london small arms company i think it has a date of 1883 on it interesting note just like with the schneider's these are also made here in Kabul at the time of Abdul Rahman Khan and the Machine econo which is the mostly what they produce at the turn of the century still very relevant to our time period if this is sort of the end of the antique market here so after talking about the legitimate martini-henry we have something called a cadet martini Narine this guy is something like in 20 to 22 long-rifle and these are made for cadets school kids who were probably practicing sort of like the GRCC programs but back in the 1800s and you know that the manual of arms is the exact same as a martini-henry similar sites you know the triggers in the same location everything's in the same exact location except that the caliber scaled down and the rifle overall is scaled down and it's much smaller this one is apparently made in Belgium you cock it with this lever right here and then the firing pin actually instead of being an exposed fire instead of being an exposed sear sort of set up on the outside like a standard multimeter and you've got firing pin that's exposed right here on that pop side and so when you fire it this goes down and that shows you if it's loaded or not you can tell by looking at the bore it's only about 22 caliber in addition it's made in Belgium by a company named Frank odd or something neat neat little piece very small great light great for you know teenagers to run to run around with on a parade ground and shoot so this one is going for 400 us hey thanks guys really appreciate you watching episode if you could like it subscribe below that'd be great I hope you learned a little bit about some of the gun shops one chickens chicken Street today [Applause]

Reader Comments

  1. "Had a 100 Year service life… thinking about it, the m16 is coming up on that"

    No. No, it isn't. we are nowhere near 2065

  2. The gun at 3:44 is a copy of a p1853 enfield musket. The british made ones had a better rear sight. So this one would be a foreign made, Maybe in india. The Pattern 1853 (P1853) were all originally smooth bore muskets and later had rifling added. Then all mark 1 and 2 Sniders were made from P1853 rifles and converted. Mark 3 Sniders were made from new as a Snider. In fact the Snider at 6:22 is exactly like mine. A mark 3 1869 Enfield, Granted it is in better condition as mine.

  3. Interesting video. I still have my snider conversion and martini henry that I brought home from my deployment to Afghanistan in 2011. They were $250 each back then. Prices seem to have almost doubled now!

  4. oH dear would not let you touch any of my firearms  you dry firing of a .22  is a no no  buggars the firing pin and  perhaps some study of your history would help ,also dry firing some of those old weapons  not good for the firing pins And no the carbine  was not attached to the horse it was worn on a harness by the rider which allowed him to swing it up ,was also carried by a SGt  ,this allowed the use of another weapon The Bess was used for close to200 years and in fact still in use in Afghanistan, also made a grenade launcher in the Bess models ,if an original would have a wrought iron barrel hand welded around a mandrel NOT  modern tubes have seen one in use at a road block some years back

  5. The m16 is not about to meet the 100 year mark of service any time soon!!! Its not the Mid 2060's yet my brother

  6. You realize that 98 percent of firearms sold at these types of markets to tourists (mostly gullible US/NATO troops) are reproductions made in the Khyber gun shops in Pakistan, right? Notice there is zero natural wear on these muskets that you showed — the receivers and barrels are completely light gray — and the stocks are in excellent shape. No firearm ages like this. In reality, steel tends to wear where people grab rifles and the bluing will naturally age with a mix of blueing and gray areas. These are all reproductions made to look old.

    The Khyber gun shops in Pakistan are even making incredible copies of Glock pistols, AK-47s, Browning Hi Powers, AR-15s, etc. There is much written about the Khyber fakes that have flooded the markets of Afghanistan during the last 20 years, mostly being sold to gullible US soldiers wishing to buy an "authentic" British Enfield or Martini Henry. Looks like you fell for it too (and strange you make no reference to the Khyber gun industry).

  7. The gun ban in Afghanistan by Karzai is wrong Afghans always had guns should still be able to own guns maybe with a few restrictions but never the less should be able to own guns again Insha Allah God willing

  8. It is actually originally called Turkey 🦃 street market or فيل مرغ ماركيت Feel Mergh market Later on they dropped the Feel which became Mergh market or chicken market. Herds of Turkey used to go through that street which was unusual & chicken are usually regular necessities in most household in Afghanistan most people had chicken for eggs or for meat so that would not be a big deal to name the street after just a little inside info. This is known to many people.

  9. So where's the video that talks about how an American civilian is supposed to travel there, buy these things, and then get them back to the states?

  10. A friend's son-in-law brought him a Martini-Henry from Afghanistan and I hate him. I admit I would go crazy buying Lee-Enfields if I could. I only have 10 and that's hardly enough when you suffer from Enfield Lust. Enfield collectors are different.

  11. lol I wonder if this is where someone in Marina Joyce's family got that Martini Henry that everyone was calling a "shotgun" and using it as evidence that she was being forced to make videos.

  12. when you dry-fire a percussion firearm, you will fuck up the cone. it upsets the iron and you can't fit the cap over it any more. when you dry-fire a flintlock you will break the lock. the cock can snap or even the frizzen can snap, though that is less likely. what will happen however and has happened to that particular lock is the top jaw will bend making it impossible to hold a flint. if you want to dry-fire a flintlock, put a piece of wood in the jaws and tighten. i wont even go into how that is not the Bess that was used in the revolution or that the first percussion gun was not a bess at all. you should do some more research on the types and patterns of firearms prior to the metallic cartridge, it's a fascinating field.

  13. Prices seem awfully steep to me! I can find these for the same price here in the US, without the life threatening trip to the Middle East.

  14. sucha jezail would be a cool thing to own.
    does anyone know a company that offers reproductions ? like the rifle shoppe maybe ?

  15. would you dry fire a weapon @ 5.25 in a us gun shop…..aiming it at the camera….just wondering…

  16. Cool Vid. Just a point of clarification; The big ring on a cavalry carbine is not to fix it to the horse. it is there to be clipped to the RIDER. ,so that if the rider is knocked out of the saddle ,his gun stays with him.

  17. Your "Brown Bess' is not a service example judging by the lock markings. Nice example of it's own type though. Shortened ones were not issued to artillery (they had their own carbine bore types) but was to Fencible, Militia and Volunteer cavalry in the Napoleonic Wars to use up unserviceable stocks of parts and release proper cavalry carbines for front line troops and Britain's allies who got them by the hundreds of thousands. The percussion is not a Brown Bess at all. It is an Honourable East India Company late type musket of the 1840s. It's rear sight is made for 50, 100 and 140 yards with different sight positions. With a replica service paper cartridge mine would hit a man size target always at 50 metres and usually at 100 metres.Mr Pyne arrived from Yorkshire via Calcutta in 1886 and set up the Mashin Khana factory to make Martini Henry rifles beginning production about 1890. No P1853 nor Sniders, whatever Afridi tribal gunsmiths may have been knocking out by hand in the hills.Nice to see the inside and stock of one of the better shops. Thank you for that.

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