-And our guest today, like we promised Mikhail Khodaryonok,
our military expert. Mikhail Mikhailovich, greetings.
-Good day. -And like we promised, today’s subject is ‘5th gen. fighter’,
-Yes, we always keep our previously given promises. -And, all the more so, relatively recently, a threshold event
in 5th gen. fighters history. -Military Air Force of the United States announced, that the
first squadron of planes F-35 ‘Lightning-II’ is ready for
combat duties. -That is, not even 15 years have passed after the signing
of the contract with Lockheed-Martin company, -And they announced, that the first squadron has been formed,
ready, and ready for combat use. -By the way, at us, this plane… We will talk about
‘the American’ in the beginning, -And then, smoothly pass to our plane, and other planes,
which are contending to be planes of the 5th generation. -American squadron is deployed at Hill Air Force Base, in
Utah state, it is called 34th. -And generally, the Pentagon is planning to buy 1.763 of these
F-35 planes. -What should be said first of all about this fighter…? -We should directly say, that at us, in our press, it was
sometimes subjected to all kinds of attacks, kicks, criticism,
etcetera, etcetera. -They claimed, that something is going wrong, that it has
this and that, that it is very expensive, etcetera, etcetera. -For the most part, these kicks were unjustified. And
basically, they were formed by far from specialists in this
area. -And what should be said is that this is also a big event in
world aviation building. -And ones should also remember, that F-35 is already second
5th generation fighter in United States, and third, from the
point of view of low radio-location visibility. -Becausse the first was F-117, then F-22 ‘Raptor’, that is
only 179 units of them, and now – F-35. -We should directly say, that this fighter, according to its
tactical-technical records, has all the opportunities
to repeat the success of F-16 fighter, -Which set the standards for a light fighter military
machine in its class. -It must be said, that it is one of the best fighters in the
category, and there is a big chance, that F-35 will repeat
this tremendous success. -Well, again, while we are going to talk about either American
fighter, or ours, many claims we going to accompany with
words like ‘maybe’, ‘very likely’, ‘with some degree of
reliability we can assume’. -Because in there, this ‘item’, so to speak, appears to be
a accumulation of military secrets, and in almost the same
degree, it concerns our plane as well. -That’s why, here, we are going to have this kind of
fighter relativity theory. -Well, with minimum exposure of governmental secrets,
in expecially large amounts. -Yes, so we won’t have our hands cuffed behind our backs
right here in the studio, so to speak. -Yeah, this we can do.
-Like in one satirical show the said: ‘And from the ceiling
jumped down comrades in black…’ -Well then… What can we point out in this sense…? -Americans, in this plane, invested in the same degree in
hardware, as well as in software, programming, during creation
of this plane. -And it’s even unclear what was more. And most likely –
more in software. -Because, from hardware point of view, we can say, that some
things might be done optimally, or not optimally.
That is, ones can debate. -But software of this plane is close to perfect, and with
very promising capabilities. -And in general, this plane must be viewed as a link
in these very complicated operative systems. -And essentially, all of its combat capabilities, all of its
tactical-technical characteristics, are going to reveal
themselves, when it’s going to operate as a link of these
complicated systems, in particular – network-centric warfare. -And if one of the allies of the United States does not possess
such deployed system, then combat qualities of this plane
are going to be lower in there, of course. -Plus, in addition, what kind of ‘surprise’ for some allies
of the United States purchasing of this plane hides? -Since software is extremely complicated, and exclusively
developed in America, -Those comrades of Americans, who are going to misbehave,
1 turn of a key it is enough, so to speak, so this plane
would become not 5th gen. plane, but 3rd, for example. -Oh? So it’s like that?
-Well, Americans always work like this. Almost always. -That is, if you misbehave, one turn of a key, and you
already finding yourself in another niche of combat
capabilities. -How convenient. We should make note of this for sure.
-I think we noted this long ago. -We will talk about our plane later. -That is, to sum it up, ones should not totally baselessly
criticize this plane. -It has a chance to repeat the success of F-16. This kind
of opinion specialists have. -What must be said about some other competitors in 5th
gen. fighters area…? -Well, first, we must note, only us and Americans bother
with these names like ‘5th gen.’ -Europeans are not very inclined to divide their machines
by generations. -And it is quite difficult to distinct them.
-But why? -Well, in general, like any classification, it is very
contingent. -Because, let’s name the main characteristics of 5th gen.
fighter from the top of our heads, so to speak. -It is substantial reduction of plane’s visibility in
radio-location and infra-red diapasons. -It is multifunctionality. That is, its high effectiveness
for destroying air, ground, overwater targets. -Presence of 360 information system.
This is very characteristic for F-35. -That is, in there, the pilot for example, receives information
from everything he can receive information from. -From space systems, from E-3 planes, from E-8 planes,
which we basically don’t have. And from ground centers. -As a matter of fact, a pilot of this plane master the
situation in hundreds of kilometers radius. -That is – he is very informed.
-He is very informed. -In addition to all this, this most advanced software,
programming that is, provides huge help in this.
And in many cases – works for him. -And this is very important, because in the end, this rule,
that exists in air combat from the times of WW1: ‘Who
saw first – won’, -In this plane it is implemented at full capacity. -And further ahead. Flight at supersonic speeds without
using afterburners. -That is, the engine must have such capabilities, so it
will be able to reach supersonic speed outside
afterburners mode. -Super maneuverability. Capability of performing all directions
target attacks in an air combat. -On super speeds, and conducting close range dogfight.
-Stop. Sergei, you are going a bit ahead of yourself. -Ahead of the train.
-Yeah… We are still going to return to detail description of
these qualities. -Well then, aerodynamics, must provide help in piloting,
it must have automated control system, on the level of
solving tactical tasks. -To have emergency help for the pilot, and many many other.
It’s like this. -But, some of them, like you just said, some of distinctive
characteristic features of 5th gen. seems to be far-fetched. -Let’s put it this way – until certain degree far-fetched. -For example, let’s take low radar visibility. From one side,
it should be present it seems, -But from another side, when a pilot turns on on-board
aiming system, then what kind of low radar visibility can we
talk about? -If when it starts to work, it lights up like a Christmass
tree, so to speak, with all of its Watts and Megawatts. -With all fibers of its soul, like my mom used to say.
-Yes. That is, low radar visibility goes away here. -This doesn’t mean, that this problem should not be worked on.
but nonetheless, this is a bit far-fetched. -Or for example… Until certain degree far-fetched, let’s say. -Or, flight at supersonic speed in cruise mode.
Of course, this might not be that bad, but again… -Specialists can hardly imagine, like we just mentioned,
how to use weapons, for example. Perform a guided missile
launch. -All the more so, 5th gen. fighter must have all of its weapons
inside the hull, and closed with flaps. -So, you go ahead and try to open these hatches on these
speeds, to launch these missiles. -So, it is still needed to lower the speed?
-Well, generally, an air fight, as a general rule, is conducted
at subsonic speeds. -Much below the speed of sound.
-Yes. In addition, super maneuverability, until certain degree. -It is of course good, when it’s somersault at one spot,
performs the most difficult stunts. -It makes an unforgettable impression on viewers,
especially on viewers of school age. -But in an air combat, it is still debatable how much
applicability they have. -Since, again, whoever sees first – wins. -If you have information, like we said – 360 degrees,
and plus, you have low radar visibility, we will return to
this subject, -And you have all the capabilities to see the enemy first,
then super maneuverability is probably not as critical. -So it’s kinda like that. What else can be said here…?
Well, for Americans, this is the first series production plane. -First squadron is ready. We are also working intensively
on our 5th gen. fighter. -We will return to this subject, or rather we didn’t even
mentioned the development of our fighter yet. -The Chinese, they are starting to catch up. They are also
showing, that they have something, remotely similar to
a 5th. gen fighter. -But generally, I wouldn’t never speak ironically about
Chinese. -We have people, who like to mock China’s aviation program,
to say terrible things about it. -But nevertheless, before talking about disadvantages of
Chinese 5th gen. fighter…
-Well, we are not mocking them at all, I must say. -Our China expert, or metallurgy expert… We don’t have any
room to mock them.
-We speak with respect. -China is a serious neighbor.
-Yes, they are serious people. -Yes, in aviation they might have not overcame the gap,
that exists between developed countries. -But they are trying, making attempts.
-And their speed of overcoming is very impressive. -Like in steel making.
-Up to 100 million tons they were going for several decades,
and then added 100 every year.
-And now they producing half of world’s steel. -That’s why, there shouldn’t be any irony about Chinese
developments. -Yes, right now they might be a little bit behind American,
and our, but they are going ‘7 mile long steps’, so to say. -They have money, there is this good word ‘bottomless pit’.
-Educated people – a railcar, a car and a bunch. -That is, there is no lack of educated specialists, all
the more so, ones who received a good education abroad. -That’s why, when they launched this programm, sooner or later,
they are not just going to reach these heights, but maybe
even surpass them.
-Well, and we will help them. -To work with education and science like they do…
Because we have a very big stream of specialist who go
to China to work. To this day. -Um, that’s why, talk about flaws of the Chinese 5th gen.
fighter, that it has engines from MiG-29, for example,
with thrust only 8.300kg, while F-35 has almost 20.000. -With this thrust, it’s clear, that it won’t be able to lift
the required weaponary, fuel…
-They’ll work it out. -But again, I am saying – no need for irony. They are trying,
they are making attempts, they are creating. -And, it’s very possible, that soon, they will surpass all the
results they have today. -This is one thing. And if we speak generally about
‘unbreakable’ Russian – Chinese friendship…
-Good memories. -The Chinese, they are interested in us, until certain degree,
as a source of new technologies. -Well, on the level on which it is possible. -But, much bigger interest, in this sense, they have in
the west. -And well, when some of our hot heads started to hit drums,
blow horns, brought tuckets to the starting line,
celebrating enternal frindship with China… -China is very pragmatic…
-Nothing is enternal.
-China – is an extremely pragmatic superpower. -And to make enemies with the west, as a source of new
technologies, and, I apologize for this Bolshevik expression
‘sales market’ for Chinese products, -They will never go for it.
-Nobody is going to make enemies with anyone!
All the more so – for us. -That’s why, here, like they say – less illusions, gentlemen,
like classics of Marxism and Leninism were saying. -And, more about 5th gen. planes… Indians are doing something
in cooperation with us, Japanese ‘rolling something out’. -Well, I wouldn’t talk about these machines in every detail,
because, well, they are on early stages of their development,
of 5th gen. fighters. -And it will probably be premature to say, that there was
some serious results achieved there. -A bit early.
-A bit early, a bit early. -So then, what can we say…? Americans already have the second
series. And 5th gen. engines, not the first sample already. -And, basically, they already have experience of creating
5th gen. fighter, wich was F-22 ‘Raptor’.
Returning to it again. -The machine turned out to be extremely expensive.
We can also talk about its cons and pros. -But here, the most important thing is still the stage. -And if we’ll try to understand how expensive ‘Raptor’ turned
out to be, then if we take into account all the tests,
scientific-research experimental designers’ work,
etcetera, -Specialists estimated, that with these conditions, 1
production plane costs somewhere between 350-400 million
dollars. -It turned out to be a very expensive toy. Americans
believe, that it will work for its money. -But the basis of 5th gen. fighters in their Military Air
Force, is still going to be the F-35. -And, as the matter of fact, many countries and governments
have already stated about their willingness to purchase this
plane. -And it seems, that it is going to be the basis of Military
Air Forces of western countries, for 40 years, at least. -So, they made fighters for such long time? 1 generation
for 40 years approximately? -Well, right now it is hard to say, whether it will be
39 or 41.
-Well, this is understandable, of course. -But we will say it this way…
-It’s for decades.
-It’s for decades. -It’s not like IPhone, that you change every year.
-No, it’s not. It’s totally different. -We must mention, that it was only in development for
15 years. -15 years have passed, since the contract wa signed,
until first squadron is ready for duty. -Even for United States it is quite significant amount
of time. -And they spent, let’s say it again in this way – unlimited
-Bottomless pit, again. -Unlimited bottomless pit I would say. Combine these 2. -But, now, we should probably start talking about our plane
T-50. -Again, what I would like to say in the beginning of the
talk about our plane, is if in my words I will have some
approving evaluations, positive, even excellent evaluations, -Then, God forbids, this is not some kind of advertising.
Because you can advertise cakes, refreshments…
-I doubt that a plane needs advertisement. -The only 5th gen. plane in the country, to praise this
project, it’s not advertising, because it is country’s
interests. -Well, let’s say it this way.
-Well, what does this mean ‘to praise it’? -If we were advertising a certain insurance company
or burger maker, then I understand, but this… -Well, talking about T-50, what kind of words we are going to
use…? That this is a very serious project.
Very serious project. -And here at us, until very recently, until the beginning
of 2000’s, we have had many not serious projects. -Or we can even say like this: It seems we were starting
everything very seriously, very seriously, but ended
basically with nothing, a zilch. -Or, excuse me for this rough expression: Or it was
dull flops. -This occured several times, including from projects,
which were, dully or not dully, plundered. -Including some very serious technological things.
-Yes. And sometimes even things that you just regret about. -But from the other side, when a serious thing is planned,
ones must take into account the following moments. -So that this thing, in the end, would be oriented towards
sale. Right? For it to occupy a certain niche. -Worst case scenario – backed by certain resources.
-So, when these serious 5th gen. projects are being developed,
we must also think about who we are going to sell it to? -Meaning, not only for defense?
-Not only to sell. Our T-50 is at least 50 years project. -We were saying 39 or 41, but counting active
duty – at least 50. In other words – this is the price. -And again, here is very important to correctly build
everything conceptually. -Because, those same critics, when talking about T-50,
saying: ‘Oh, this is not a 5th gen. fighter. Because it doesn’t
have 5th. gen. engine on it yet.’ -Which we are going to have, best case scenario, in 2017. -Again, this is not principally, it’s not critical. -That same Su-27, a plane with simply tremendous success,
it performed its first flights not with its own engine,
but with L-21 engine. -Only later it received one of our most successful engines,
L-31. -And here, it is important not to make a mistake in certain
conceptual things. -Because conceptual things, as a general rule, they are
not enough, in the end. -Because if everything is worked out correctly, like the looks,
size… These, by the way, are not such simple things. -Because, in the development of the looks, comrades
military men must also take part. -But, for example, when the looks of 5th gen. plane was in
development, the military didn’t really had much time to
take part in fighters designing. -And they, in rakish 1990’s, early 2000’s, people didn’t put
too much thought into next 50 years perspective. -And they were only thinking how to survive, right?
-Oh, yeah. -And, generally, all these conceptual thoughts, were born in
the insights of Sukhoi Defense Design Bureau. -Well, military is also related to this of course, but not as
strong as one can assume. -And now about a few failed project, purely superficially,
so it would be understandable, that far from everything was
successful on the margin of 1990’s and 2000’s. -Well, for example, our co-project with India MTA,
a transportation plane. -Sometimes it was also called IL-214. And nothing came out of
it. While the first agreement between governments were signed
back in 1999. -It was planned for this plane to be in the same niche as the
famous American C-130 ‘Hercules’. -Because, in Soviet times, if we look at the line of
transportation planes, then we had, for example, AN-22,
but there were not many of them. -Mostly AN-12, this kind of ‘working horse’, An-26. -So, in other words: A large one, a little smaller,
and very small. Correct? -And today, we have lost this line, at certain degree. -And this kind of ‘working horse’, of military transport
aviation… -Because, you don’t always need to transfer 200+ people,
and 40 tons of load. Not always. -That is, IL-76 is not always needed.
-Yes, a plane of such size is not always needed. -And everyday life, in Military Air Force, and in Armed Forces,
one can say – ‘boils’. -And sometimes, you need a plane, well, of a smaller size.
Kind of like An-12. -But on a new level, of course. Because An-12 was created
in some very rough Soviet times. -But this plane, theoretically, could be a replacement
of the An-12. -But everything dully floped.
-Mikhail Mikhailovich, we need to take a little break.
-So we won’t flop our news.
-Yes. Send us SMS. -So… Let’s return to our lameness. So…
-So, our 5th gen. fighter T-50 is a very serious project. -It is backed by resources. Niche of this plane is crystal
clear. And we clearly need this fighter. -So then, they approached seriously, made all the correct
prognosis, and this project is for at least 50 years. -But besides this, we must surely point out, that
specialists calculated totally correctly the size of this
plane. -Because, geometrically, it is a little smaller, than Su-27,
but a little bigger, than F-35. -Properly speaking, what does it caused by?
This is cause by intention of this plane to take
more actual load. -Meaning, all kinds of rockets and bombs.
-Yes. Yes. And so, properly speaking, this gives it a little
edge over F-35. -And here, unfortunately, what must be said…?
Staying on objective side, we must point out, -That our avionics are heavier, than American,
and our weapons are heavier, with the same effectiveness. -And for a chance to have some superiority over
American fighter, -We must make it a little bigger, a little more powerful. -And we need this superiority, we are taking this into account,
for the case of, if we will sell them to someone, and they will
sell it to someone, and then these planes will meet? -Well, how my very good acquaintance said: ‘Nothing
can be excluded’. Nothing can be excluded -And, by the way, all these countless prognosis about
battles of different gen. fighers, well this is not yet
realistic. -The final evaluation of a machine, the final
tactical-technical characteristics, are the ones that it
is going to show in certain situations. -But the main examiner – is of course the real combat. -And again, we can talk about certain things,
but again – with some credibility.
Only some. -About F-35, nobody knows it very well.
Its tactical-technical characteristics, and capabilities. -But same goes for our T-50, whatever is implemented there. -And at what degree of possibility and credibility we are
guessing them? -But what is the most important? What kind of things we are
going to say? Conceptual and important things. -The important thing is, that the plane T-50 doesn’t have
devastating gap from the American project. -For example – from F-35, F-22. Because, when you start
something, and you see such distance, that you know
you are not going to catch up. -It happens.
-But here, there is no such devastating ground loss. -And here, well, our specialists approached this with the
utmost responsiblity. -And what should we say here? From nothing usually comes
out nothing. On an empty spot – nothing can just appear. -That is, not any 5 gen. fighter, on an empty spot, only by
will of a superiors, by a decree of CC CPSU, it would not have
appeared. -There is a need for a basis. Some kind of reserve is
needed. And quite powerful reserve. -Like the saying goes: Oranges won’t grow on aspens. Right?
-No. No. -And so, SDDB is certain school, certain traditions,
and certain basis is worked out, and reserve. -Well, for example, during the works on famous planes
of Su-27 and Su-30 series, this reserve was made
decisively in all directions. -And so, until certain degree, it was implemented in the T-50. -Well, of course we can start talking about problems with
engines, with avionics. A little less about weapons for
5th gen. fighter. -Because according to some information, weapons keeping up
with development and testing of this plane.
-Knock the wood. -Yes. And in needed moment, so to say, and in needed time,
it is going to be delivered. -And again, well… There is of course always problems during
development and tests of this plane. -All the more so, with such level of innovations.
How could they not have any problems? -But, this plane, T-50, let’s use this expression once more,
the creators approached this project with utmost
responsibility. -The plane occupies all the possible niches of combat usefullness. -It has obvious striking functions, and it also can be
used as a fighter-interceptor. -That is, indeed a multi-functional plane. -Sometimes, some of our hotheads, based on completely
lobbying positions, saying: ‘Let us restart production
of the plane MiG-31’. -By the way, it is also a plane, which by its
tactical-technical characteristics very remarkable. Very. -But, from the other side, this machine has almost 50 tons
takeoff weight. -Its actual load is insignificant. We can talk about only a
few tons. 4 missiles, probably, and that’s it. -And what can come out of this plane, if we will urgently
start its ressurection? -Again, unlimited amount of money is going to be invested in
this project, but we still will not get a completely new plane. -We will say once more – not just unlimited, but unlimited
-Yeah… -And well, conceptual mistakes, or so to say, big mistakes,
cost too much sometimes. -It seems we did everything correctly, but when we got into
analysing the results, then goddamn… We made a mistake. -It happens.
-We can also give such example as MiG-29 fighter. -It seems, what bad can we say about it? Well, basically,
we are not even going to say anything bad, but about
the fact, that this plane turned out to be, to say it softly,
a little wrong. -It is an example of a wrong plane, and wrong approach.
Why is that so? -What was layed in it, when this whole idea was planned? -It’s that we are going to have a light fighter, which is going
be twice as cheap to make, and twice as cheap in maintenance
cost, than for example heavy fighter planes of Su-27 type. -And so, what did we ended up with? First of all, it didn’t
turned out significantly cheaper in production and
maintenance cost. -It didn’t turned out cheap at all. There. And demands, that
were declared and announced for this plane earlier,
like making it twice as small, twice as cheap, -Everything is going to be twice as efficient, nothing of this
was achieved. And what did we had on the outcome? -That the plane was not too far behind from a heavy fighter,
concerning takeoff weight. -It had a price almost as a heavy fighter, and significantly
lacks all of tactical-technical characteristics. -That is, price difference is not very big. -But for example when you are buying a Su-30 plane,
a plane with uncomparably bigger range, uncomparably
bigger actual load, combat capabilities. -And here, the price is almost the same, but much less
capabilities. -And well, only because of this, this project can collapse,
without any kinds of support. -What do you mean acvertising? If there is no difference, then
why would anyone pay more? -Yes. And here, the difference is obvious. -And well, they were counting on… Well, it doesn’t mean,
that MiG did not have successful fighters. -MiG had incredibly successful fighters.
It is, for example, MiG-15. MiG-21. -These are breakthrough planes, in world, ‘world’ I emphasize,
-Of that generation, right? -Yes. But, MiG-29, of course, significantly overpassed F-16. -Because, for example, there were made 4.600 units of F-16,
and it is very much. Very much. -And MiG-29 – 1.600. Significantly less.
Well, these are approximate numbers. -So then, the plane didn’t become mass produced,
nor the most successful. -And here, we spoke much about 5th gen. engines,
about that our T-50 is still flying with previous generation
engines. -But now it has 117S engines installed.
But again, I want to say, that it is not critical.
It’s not critical. -5th gen. engine right now is on the wrapping up stage. -And we already said in previous shows, that making an
engine is much more difficult, than make a plane. -Sometimes it seems totally unbelievable.
-Yeah, it seems like this is only an engine, and this is a
whole plane. -Yes. But it’s not by luck, that engine makers, we are going to
allow to ourselves to repeat this joke of engine makers. -Sometimes they say, that a plane – is a primitive device
for engine flight. -And well, there is no jokes about engines. No breakthroughs,
like 5 years in 4 years, etcetera. -Well, it’s possible to do 5 years in 4, but what kind of
result you are going to have? -Yes, well, with an engine this is certain.
It will take 10 years. 10. -Even 9 women can’t give birth to a child in 1 month.
-Then we should start, huh?
-No, don’t. -Evgeniy Yanovich knows better.
-Yes. A wise person. -I just imagine, that we are going to have weather report at
any moment… -Guys, when you say, that we should start producing something
within the time limits you want, which can not be produced
in these time limits, -Then this is called – to try to fit the unfittable.
It is impossible. And if you do manage, then you
going to have debris. -Like they say: You are coming late, but I’m praising you for
this also. Some wise man said it. -Better late than never. At least start now, so after 10 years
you will have something to brag about. -In any case, we are going to have weather report break. -And we are returning to the studio, for the conclusive corner
of our hour. 5th gen. fighter. -In the beginning, we will finish with the engines.
What else must be said about the engines? -Generally, to create a modern engine, for a modern fighter,
well and in the same degree for a civil airliner,
it is the level of technological health of a country. -If you can make an engine, then you have everything OK,
if you can’t make an engine, well then, guys, you still have
a lot to learn, and learn, and learn. -Well, there are countries of the 1st row, like Ghana,
and they are making it without any engines, no worries. -And Olympic Games in Brazil, with bandits,
and they don’t need engines at all. -And engines, they are first of all – materials, it is stands,
it is most complicated calculating basis, it is very
complicated long suffering tweaking processes. -And this is a very complicated process. And every blade
of the engine, is a small wing. -And it has same demands, as they are towards a wing of
a large plane. -It has very high pressures by weight, and by all kinds of
overloads, and by resonance, etcetera. -By the way, when the Iranians learned how to make blades
for aviations turbines, the people said: ‘Yeah, you MIC,
guys, is going to be just fine’. -And, our T-50, generally, is going to be comparable,
by its tactical-technical characteristics, with the F-35. -And, ones can assume, is also going to be competitive. -That is, with this plane, we going to manage to defend our
traditional markets. -T-50, I am almost sure of it, is going to allow us to. -And what else should we say about SDDB, about which
we just talked, that from nothing – only nothing can appear. -It’s that in this DDB, calm and serious work is taking place.
It has very powerful personnel composition. -And I will allow to myself to repeat – very serious personnel. -Those people, who sometimes blink on the television,
and talking about the condition of things of our fighter
aviation, -They are not ‘stars’ of large scale in the creation of our
planes. -‘Stars’ of large scale, unfortunately, is impossible to see
on the television. -And thank God. They could be in danger.
-They are not appearing. First degree ‘stars’ aappear to be
totally different people. -And SDDB is starting to pick their personnel starting from
school Olympiads. -That is, in there, they are spotting there talented 9-10
graders, without any irony – lure them,
promising certain perspectives. -And what else can we say in this sense? It is that people,
in SDDB are looking very far ahead. -Because when you are searching for schoolschildren,
for studies in Moscow Aviation Institute, -With the perspective of hiring him for the job in the DDB…
Well, how many years ahead you must look…? And generally,
how well you must be engaged with these youths…? -And this is the only approach, which is possible, in this
sense. -That’s why, some things do become successful, when
they are starting to look for young people, starting from
9th grade, by conducting all sorts of Olympiads. -And then it is already obvious, that this person can be
an aviation designer. -And again, this is limited edition ‘items’. It is 1 of 100,
1 of 150, maybe even less of today schoolchildren can
work in the DDB, and work for the sake of the Motherland,
particularly in this sense. -That is why, personnel is picked so thoroughly in SDDB. -That is, I will allow to myself to repeat this expression,
that calm and serious work is being done on 5th gen. fighter
creation. -Of course, in some things, we fall behind from the United
States, and traditionally, so to speak. -Unfortunately, we were always catching up to them.
It just formed like this in history. -It’s not because I want to say something bad about our
industry, about our planes, but simply it formed this way, -That, for example, we were always falling behind in air
means of elimination nomenclature. -In nomenclature of their tactical-technical characteristics.
sometimes were were managing it, but more often than not,
we were catching up in this department. -And now, we still have this gap. It is insignificant,
but it’s there. -This concerns the so called ‘small diameter bombs’,
and new American rockets of WVRAAM type, which is
two times smaller, but its tactical-technical characteristics
are twice as much. -And, traditionally, we are falling behind in radio-electronic
machinery. -Here at us, sometimes, voices sound, calling us to make
all this produce here, make all radio-electronic machinery. -Yes, of course, from one side, the calling is encouraging,
like we should do all this, on national scale.
-But we should’t try to catch up, where catching up is
impossible? You mean this? -Well, this problem is much wider and more complicated.
If we are going to be engaged in this right now… -Again, we have 2 problems here. Niche, demand, profitability. -So that, yes, we can make samples of our own
electronic component basis. -But, if we want it to be justified, we must produce it with
relative seriality. -That is, it must be installed everywhere, starting with
watches, etcetera. -Like the Chinese, when they are making it in such scales. -And if we will have production of such electronics limited
with a few units, then it will simply worth its weight in
diamonds. -Of course some things, considering interests of our national
security, of course we must make it ‘at home’. -But nonetheless, the problem with electronic components
basis, it is much wider, that anyone can imagine. -It depends on many economic indexes.
First of all – profitability of its production. -Because, to justify its production, it must be produced in
completely unthinkable scale. -So, um, talking about this program T-50, what can we say
about some conclusions? -It is that it doesn’t have a ‘scent’ of a fraud.
We can also put it like this.
-And it is good, when such programs don’t smell ‘fraud’. -Yes, because again, when people are hitting drums, saying:
‘Oh, in a year or two, we are going to roll it out!
We are going to jump ahead, so it won’t seem little to them!’ -And unfortunately, and there is also quite modern…
-Debris are going to fly in all directions, like in that fairy
tale about a fox.
-Yes, yes. -And when they are starting to sort things out, they see,
that there is nothing but emptiness behind them. -And generally speaking, what can we say for sure in this
sense? We must make some kind of general conclusion.
Right? -And the general conclusion, about the plane T-50 is
going to sound as the following: -That this plane does not have another joice, but to
repeat the success of Su-27. -Generally speaking, we…
-What does this mean ‘it has no choice’? What it won’t make it? -Your flowers simply do not grow.
-No. For now there is a chance, there is confidence,
that this plane is going to reach heights of Su-27. -Of course, we might talking about this a little early,
while its undergoing tests. -But for now there is such confidence.
-What are the time limits? What is your evaluation? -Well, again, it is hard to tell anything, and again…
-Well? Is it going to go in the infinity? Or…?
-No, it’s going to take years. -The opcoming years, let’s put it like this.
-3 years? 5 years? 25 years?
-No. We are going to make it within 3. -Together with the engine, I assume, we are going to make it
within 3. And maybe even less. -Again, this is one of most important indexes, that this plane
is going to be our success in our national security. -Well, when it’s going to happen – it’s going to happen,
because people ask many questions. -About missiles, REW systems, time limits, problems with
survivability, what kind of engine it has today, and what kind
of problems it has… -Well, it seems these are more advanced listeners, maybe even
head designers, I can not know this. -But I will repeat once more, that the idea of us sitting right
now, answering all of the questions for everyone,
giving up all secrets of the Motherland, -And we are going to be recorded with ‘their tongues on
their shoulders’ the whole Central Intelligence Agency,
it is all wrong. -For my greatest regret, sometimes we must overstep your own
song, and expressing in Russian – to step on your own tongue. -Especially, when you talk about new machinery. -The wish, to say first something-something, only to fill the
void before you, it is a very cool wish. -It was layed as the basis of many occasions, which is called
economical spying, and here already not economical spying. -That’s why, I am humbly apologizing to the listeners,
but no secret of the Motherland is going to be revealed today. -Such karma we have. We must not do it. Repeating once more.
When we are talking about new machinery, whatever is not
announced – it’s not announced. -This is a question journalists often ask: ‘Oh, what can you
say about…?’ I’m saying: ‘Nothing.’ -‘Why? People need to know.’
-People don’t need to know anything. Excuse me please, if
this contradicts the rules of the 1st department. -So let the people go to museums. We have report coming in,
that museums attendance in modern Russia surpassed the
numbers of Soviet Union. There. Museums. -So we won’t reveal any secrets of the Motherland. -Well, what should we say in conclusion…? The people, who
are behind the tremendous success of the plane Su-27 are
engaged in this project T-50. -And those, who made the plane Su-30 one of the most seeling
plane in the world.
-Mikhail Khodaryonok was our guest. Thank you.