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Military Service and Casualty Records Electronically Available (broadcast 2015 Nov. 10)

Military Service and Casualty Records Electronically Available  (broadcast 2015 Nov. 10)


>>ANDREA BASSING MATNEY: Welcome to the National Archives Know Your Records Program. My name is Andrea Bassing Matney. We are broadcasting
live from Washington, D.C., with an on-site audience. Before we begin, there’s a few tips I’d like to share with you. If you have questions and
you’re here with us in the audience, please use the microphones in the aisles so we can
capture your voice for this video recording. For those of you who are watching online,
you may use the chat feature on YouTube to
ask questions at the end of the program.
Also on the YouTube website you can find hyperlinks to live captioning, and you can also download
the presentation slides. In honor of Veterans Day, we will highlight military and casualty
records available for download from the National
Archives Catalog and accessible through Access
to Archival Databases, also known as AAD. Our presenter today will be John LeGloahec.
John joined the Archives in June 2006 as an
Archives Specialist in the Electronics Records
Division. Since 2013, he has been a full-time member of their Reference Branch. He holds
a master’s in Library Science from the University of Albany and a master’s in Social Studies
Education from Long Island University.
And now for our presentation, Military Service and Casualty Records Electronically available, ladies and gentlemen, please join me in welcoming our presenter. John LeGloahec. John. JOHN LeGLOAHEC: Thank you, Andrea, and
thank you, everyone, joining us on online. It’s altogether fitting that this presentation takes place on the day before we pause to honor our nation’s Veterans. As a member of the Reference staff of the Electronic
Records Division, we receive a lot of calls from Veterans, and sometimes it’s nice to
take a moment and talk with them. And there’s a great sense of gratitude when we’re able
to help them. I thank each and every one of
our Veterans for their service to our country.
The Electronic Records Division of the National Archives has been preserving records for the
Federal Government for nearly 50 years. The records maintained by the Electronic Records
Division range from raw data files to PDF, emails. The majority of the records are from
the latter half of the 20th century with some records dating back to the World War II era.
In most cases, electronic records are transferred to the National Archives because of their
risk of technological obsolescence. If the data is relatively clean, these records can
be processed and made available within a short time period from their creation.
For example, within just a few years of the end of the Vietnam War, the National Archives
had accessioned many of the operational and casualty records of that conflict.
The Electronic Records Division has records in its custody that are just a few years old,
which benefits those researchers who are working on more contemporary research topics. For
Veterans and their descendants out there who need to find their records through our Access
to Archival Databases as well as reviewing and downloading from the National Archives
Catalog, while the majority of the records are in the possession of the National Records
Center in St. Louis, the Electronic Records Division can help prove that someone served
in the Army during World War II, was a prisoner of war in any of the three major conflicts
of the 20th century, was a casualty of Korea, Vietnam, or in many cases during any part
of the latter half of the 20th century. We have records about medals that were awarded
to service members, as we often get inquiries from individuals looking to replace a lost
award, to where we can sometimes verify the award that was given but the replacement will
be issued by the corresponding military branch. While I and my colleagues look forward to
speaking with our Veterans and family members, a tool valuable to genealogists is AAD. AAD
contains more than 120 million individual records across 64 different series and covers subjects ranging from genealogy, personal history topics like immigration and military
casualty and service records, which we will look at in greater detail in this presentation,
to government spending and international relations, to name just a couple of examples.
The greatest feature of AAD is that it takes the raw statistical data and presents it in
a user-friendly format to search and review records. AAD is one of the most popular tools
used by researchers receiving more than 2.5 million “hits” per year, averaging about 9,000
“hits” in a year. A good analogy to describe the AAD is that
they are the self-service gas pumps of the National Archives. A researcher can pull up
to the portal, get what they’re looking for with relative ease. If you’re looking for
one individual record — what happened to your buddy in Vietnam? What year did your
grandfather enlist in the Army in World War II? What was the name of the ship that brought
your ancestors to the United States — these answers can all be found in AAD.
In a few moments I’ll demonstrate the relative ease with which you can search and display
records in AAD. An additional resource that is now available
to researchers are data files that are available through the National Archives Catalog for
either downloading and/or viewing. Over the past few years, the staff at the Electronic
Records Division have made available over 100 series for download through the catalog,
amounting to more than 1.2 billion records. I’ll illustrate the ease of accessing through
the Catalog without downloading 1 billion records. I’ll also point out many of the series
available on AAD have also been made available for downloading through the National Archives
Catalog. Though the differences between the Catalog
and AAD are significant, AAD presents the raw data in a user-friendly, rule-based format.
The records available for download are presented in their native formats and contain the entirety
of the raw data file which need to be viewed in a software reader that can load the data
in such a way that researchers can review the entire data set as opposed to one individual
record. To use the gas pump analogy again, AAD provides
gasoline to run your car, while the Catalog is pumping out crude oil in need of refinement
to make it useable. If you’re looking for records that can satisfy
many facets of an inquiry, for example, how many people named Johnson served in the United
States Army in World War II, you may want to download the entire World War II enlistment
file, sort and manipulate the data to find that answer. Of course, you can also find
that answer through advanced searching in AAD. But you may have heard a little something
about big data and how much fun it can be in downloading the entire file allows them
to do that. At the National Archives we endeavor to connect
with customers, and one of the ways we do that is through a series of Reference Reports
that are available from the Electronic Records Division on the National Archives website.
All of the Reference Reports are available at the link seen at the top of the slide.
And regarding World War II resources, there are two reports to assist researchers with
records specific to the Second World War. In the area of electronic records, records
includes the World War II Army enlistment records, which is one of our most popular
series, as well as POW records. In addition to the Reference Reports, there are several
reference information papers, or RIPs concerning military service records. For World War II,
the RIP is Number 78, “Personal Participation in World War II,” also known as the “American
Soldier Surveys.” For the next major conflict of the 20th century,
the Korean War, there are two Reference Reports and a listing of casualties from Korea at
the state level. The first reference report is titled Records of U.S. Military Casualties
Missing in Action and Missing Prisoners of War from the Korean War and covers primarily
POW records and casualty figures. Using records described in this report, staff
in the Electronic Records Division were able to determine that there were no female nurse
fatalities as a result of enemy. In Korea there was a nurse name Genevieve Smith who died on route to her post was but not considered a casualty of war. But across all the military branches there were no nurses killed as the result of enemy action. In 2008 staff used records from the Defense
Conflict Analysis System to create state level casualty lists for both the Korean and Vietnam
Wars. So if you’re looking for a list of casualties
from a particular town or city across the United States, the state level lists are a
good resource to find that information. There are several documents to assist researchers
in finding records regarding the Vietnam War. The first two listed on the slide list multiple
series from the AAD and the Catalog, as well as data files not yet available online but
may be ordered from the Electronic Records Division. The first report titled Electronic
Data Records Relating to Military Objectives and Activities During the Vietnam War concerns
an overview of electronic records relating to military objectives and activities in the
Vietnam War. Parenthetically, it’s noteworthy that the increase of electronic records from
the Vietnam War is a direct result of the increase in the use of computers by the military
during the Vietnam War. This report is more about stuff than people; Naval maneuvers,
ground operations carried out in southeast Asia, incidents that occurred as a result
of incidents with the Viet Cong, materials in and out of the Vietnam Theater of Operations.
The second report, records from the era of the Vietnam War, provides an overview of the
electronic data records in the custody of the National Archives that relate to U.S.
casualties missing in action or Prisoners of War.
There’s another Reference Information Paper, Number 90, titled Finding Aid to American
Prisoners of War and Missing in Action from the Vietnam War, which contains a section
concerning electronic records. As referenced in the previous slides, there’s
also a state level casualty list for Vietnam War fatalities created from the data files.
Using the files, they created a Casualty Statistics Reference Report which identifies casualties
in Vietnam by category, location of casualty, home state of record, whether the incident
was considered hostile or non-hostile, and by the year of the casualty. This reference
report also identifies casualties by several other factors, including race, gender, and
religion. So let’s look specifically at the series of
records regarding military service that are available from the Electronic Records Division.
The first time here on the list, Records of Duty Locations for Naval Intelligence Personnel,
or Naval Group China as we refer to it, contains information about military and personnel serving
in China during World War II. This series is available through AAD, as well as from
download from the Catalog, and that’s indicated there where it says AAD or NAC; those are
the two places where you can go to access that information.
The second item on the list, World War II Army Enlistment Records, or ASNF, is one of our most popular series in our holdings. Including high use by NARA staff in St. Louis. As many of you know, there was a fire in St. Louis in 1973 which resulted in the loss of hundreds of thousands of official military personnel files OMPFs and the creation of the ASNF was one step in the reconstruction process to ensure our Veterans would and could receive their
rightful benefits. Then they use ASNF to verify service. It contains 9 million records of
men and women who joined the Army between 1938 and ’46. Excluding officers. The file is easily searchable through AAD; and those looking to do a more comprehensive statistical analysis on the
entire data file, they may download the entire data file from the Catalog.
Also available from the Electronic Records Division are a series of records entitled
American Soldiers in World War II Survey, 1942 to ’45 that contains information on soldiers’
attitudes toward job assignments, medical care, food quality, leisure time activities,
opportunities to advance in the Army, women in the military, and race relations, among
other subjects. There are also two series of records concerning
Prisoners of War during World War II, the first series has information about U.S. military
officers and soldiers and U.S. and some Allied civilians who were Prisoners of War and internees.
While the first series is available through AAD and available in the Catalog, the second
series, Prisoners of the Japanese, is currently only available through AAD, and it contains
information on military personnel, as well as a few civilians who were prisoners of the
Japanese. The series includes records principally derived
from the larger series previously discussed and supplemented with military organization
and other information. So in four of the five series you can search in AAD for an individual
record for someone that served in Naval Group China, enlisted in the Army, or were Prisoners
of War. For the first four you can also download the entire data file to look at the big picture
and try and find multiple situations, for example, everyone from a particular town or
city, everyone interned as a POW at a specific camp.
Please note you can accomplish this at AAD through advanced searching, but if you are
trying to satisfy a larger hypothesis, downloading the entire data file is another avenue to explore. The soldier surveys are avialable for download.
Now, moving on to the next conflict of the 20th century, the Korean War, there are five
series of records that contain individual information about American service members
who were either killed in the service of their country or were Prisoners of War. All five
of these series are searchable in AAD and available for download from the National Archives Catalog. The first two series, Records of Repatriated Korean Conflict Prisoners of War, and records of American prisoners of war contained information on approximately 4,500 former Prisoners of War from Korea, at this point in time POW’s were considered casualties of war and there are records of soldiers that
include a variety of information found in the records, including the soldiers’ serial
or service number, their date of capture and later release, along with the name of the
POW internment camp where the individual was held.
Also available for download from the National Archives Catalog as well as for searching
in AAD are two sets of files that cover casualty information from the 1950s through military
operations into the early 2000s. The Defense Casualty Analysis extract files
that I was referencing earlier are subsets of the larger system and cover Korea and Vietnam,
while the full files cover all casualties from around the world, including casualties
that occurred during peace time or away from a specific set of operations.
The next two series contain casualty information from the Korean War. The first records, Military
Personnel Who Died as a Result of Hostilities during the Korean War, or as we refer to it,
KCCF, contains descriptive data about military personnel who died in military battle during
the Korean War and is reported on the Form 1300 as well as from each of the military
services from the Department of Defense. Information found in the casualty records include a wide
range of personal information, including the branch of military in which they served, the
POWs’ hometown, their year of birth, and the situation under which they became a POW.
The second series, Records on Korean War Dead and Wounded Army Casualties, contains information
about U.S. Army officers and soldiers who were casualties in the Korean War. There are
more than 27,000 records for those who died, and the remaining 82,000 records are nonfatal
records. The records contain a lot of information, but include the pertinent information, the
individual’s name, service number, place, type and date of casualty, as well as the
POW’s hometown. As with all of World War II resources, all
of the series listed here may be searched through AAD and/or downloaded from the Catalog
based on the needs of the researcher or the nature of their inquiry.
So now let’s move on to the next conflict of the 20th century, the Vietnam War. As I
mentioned earlier, the Electronic Records Division holds several series regarding Vietnam,
partly in response to the increased use of computers during that time period. In the
area of casualty records, we hold four series of records pertaining to that conflict. DCAS,
which I referred to in the previous slide, covers Vietnam.
Also available is a series of regards containing multiple files, two of which are available
from the Catalog as well as for searching in AAD. CACCF contains information about U.S.
military officers and soldiers who died, were missing in action, or were Prisoners of War
in southeast Asia during the Vietnam War. As with CACCF, the information submitted on
Form 1300, the Individual Report of Casualty, there are both final and non-final records.
A data field in each record distinguishes the two types of records.
There’s a similar series of records titled Records of Deceased, Wounded, Ill, or Injured
Army Personnel, which contains information about U.S. Army personnel and their dependents
who died or were injured worldwide, including Missing in Action and Prisoners of War. It’s
searchable in both AAD as well as available for download from the Catalog.
The final series is a collection of records donated by a gentleman by the name of Richard Coffelt. In response from Veterans, he developed a project to identify units down to the company, battery and troop level for US Army deaths in the Vietnam war. After about 10 years two others joined Coffelt in the research effort and in 2001 the project expanded to include unit information for service
members from the other branches of service who died in the Vietnam War. The information
found in this series contains information on U.S. military officers and soldiers who
died as a result of either a hostile occurrence, including while Missing in Action or were a Prisoner of War or were a non-hostile occurrence in the Southeast Asia theater during Vietnam. In particular, it provides unit information for more than 37,000 of the 38,000 casualties from the U.S. Army, more than 11,000 of the 14,000 from the Marine Corps, and 1,700 of the 2,584 from the U.S. Air Force,and 2,200 of the 2,564 from the US Navy. This is searchable in AAD but not currently available for download.
Now, in addition to the casualty records, the Electronic Records Division holds a number
of operational records regarding the Vietnam War. The operational records reflect an extensive
data collection effort intended to prove the conduct of the war. The data in these operational
records cover military logistics, pacification programs, and additional aspects of the war.
Collected data could easily be analyzed and statistical evaluation performed which allow
officials to assess the direction of the war. Some of the operational records covered include
Viet Cong and North Vietnamese actions against the South Vietnamese military operations that took place in Cambodia, data about air sorties, ground operations Naval exercises, and other military exercises from forces serving in
the region during the Vietnam War. There are also some data files including the use of
Agent Orange. There are also files on the Vietnam experience
on selected Army personnel who served in Vietnam during 1967 and ’68. The final item on the
list is not necessarily about death but recognition for service and contains information about
some of the awards and decorations of honor awarded to U.S. military officers, soldiers,
and sailors along with Allied and foreign Military Personnel. AWADS is not a complete
list of all awards and decorations of honor presented during the Vietnam War. AWADS is
available for searching in AAD as well as available for download from the Catalog.
So now that you have all of that information at your fingertips, let’s go walk through
the records. So the first thing that I’m going to do is
I’m going to show you how to get to the AAD homepage. So if you’re on the National Archives
homepage and you wanted to search in AAD, you would go here to the first rectangle on
the left under Research Our Records, and that will bring you to the next page that you will
see here under this, next to the mouse, and you would search for Access to Archivable
Databases, which brings you to the AAD homepage. Bring that over a little bit.
So then from this page you can search in AAD. You can free text search under the green banner;
you can browse by category, all of the categories are listed here; as well as browsing by subject,
and all of the subjects covered in AAD can be found here on this list here.
But for our intents and purposes, the first thing we are going to do is when I was talking
about Genevieve Smith, we were able to determine she died en route to her duty station, and
we’re going to plug her name right in the top in the search box, and we’re going to
click “Search.” And now this is searching across all of the series in AAD, and it’s
going to return 22 records across four series. Now, you’ll note here on this list, none of
these are the casualty databases. If you go down here to the History Data file
for the Awards Information Management System — this is different than AWADS, this is something
else called AIMS — when you pull that up, you’ll get two records out of the more than
1 million records available in AIMS. So you’ll see that Nurse Smith was given the Navy and
Marine Corps Achievement Medal. The award was approved. One of them was approved in
1987, and then another one was approved in 1993.
Many of the awards listed in AIMS were done retroactively as the Department of Defense
went back and entered this information into this new system of AIMS. And then here you
can see the award that was given to the Navy reserve officer, Genevieve M. Smith.
Now, what we’re going to do is one of the inquiries that we get quite often is my grandfather
enlisted in World War II, and we always believed that he enlisted in World War II when he was
too young; you know, he lied about his age. And what we often have to tell researchers
is, I’m sorry, but the information that we have is that your grandfather was 18 when
he enlisted in World War II. Now, there is one gentleman who served in
Vietnam who, when he joined up, said he was 18, but then unfortunately in 1969 when he
was killed in action in 1969 it was retroactively discovered — no, actually, I’m sorry, I’m
going to go here — it was determined that he was not, in fact,
18, but he was 15. But this was only determined later. So when you look at the Combat Area
Casualty Current File, the CACCF that I referenced earlier, you can scroll down here and you
will see that he died June 7, 1969. And when you look at his full record, it will show
a date of birth of December 21, 1949. But then later it was determined that Mr. Bullock
was actually born December 21st, 1953, so therefore he had lied about his age to get
in, and then unfortunately in 1969 when he was killed, he becomes the youngest casualty
in Vietnam. Then there is, of course, no greater honor
in serving our country during times of war, and when you went off to war, you fully expected
that you could, in fact, lose your life in some sort of hostile activity. Now, because
all sorts of data was collected, there are two instances in which two individuals died
under — well, they’re, specifically speaking, non-hostile, but they’re hostile in the fact
these individuals were killed by a tiger in Korea. So Terry Lee Armstrong and Jerry Olmstead
were killed by a tiger. Unfortunately, while on patrol they wandered into the jungle and
met some wildlife which ended their life. Now, the other one that I’m going to point
out as far as searching in AAD is there was a gentleman who wanted to — well, not that he wanted to — he joined up and he served in the Vietnam War
with a rather interesting name. Don LeRoy Deathrage, Jr. This individual died in Vietnam
on June 17th, 1967, and he was born February 24th, 1947, so he was 20 years old when he
died. So those are some examples that you can do to search in AAD.
Now, we’re going to look at the other side of the house and see how easy it is to search
records in the Catalog. Again, I’m going to go back just to show you the pathway to access
records from the Catalog. Again, from the homepage of the National Archives, you click
on Research Our Records, and then the top bulleted item here, the National Archives
Catalog, will bring you to the Archives Catalog, and you can search in this box by any keyword
searching that you would like to do. If you happen to know all of the items described
in the National Archives Catalog have a certain National Archives identifier, which is a 7-digit
number, or a 6 or 7-digit number which can bring you right to the series description.
So for our purposes today I’m just going to go ahead, but the first one I’m going to pull
up is World War II POWs, and that National Archives identifier is 1263907. So that’s
going to bring up these World War II Prisoners of War Data File. What this does is it brings
you directly to the download page. This is where you would land if you wanted to download
the entire data file. You can scroll down. You can see, here is the entire description
for this particular data file. You can see that it is part of this records of World War
II Prisoners of War, created by the War Department. It covers these were punch card records that
were later, you know, made available, and now we’ve made available the data files for
downloading through a Catalog. So when we made these files available through
the Catalog, we created what we call a Technical Specification Summary, which explains how
the data files were, in fact, made available, and that’s a PDF document, and it shows you
that these are ASCII six length files, and in addition to the data file, there’s also
a documentation package which contains information that is helpful to help interpret the records
themselves, as well as we’ve also made available some of the unprocessed punch cards from this
particular series. So what does a raw data file look like? Well,
it looks a lot like this. So this is a list of, as you can see here, all Veterans or POWs
from World War II. That’s an alphabetical list, and you can see there sort of right
in the middle it shows you their rank, and then all of these numbers correspond to a
particular value, which you can search in AAD.
And as you see here, for instance, this information right here, Gerald Arie, that’s his serial
number and his name and service code, so all of this here, and so this number corresponds
to something, you know, so it’s definitely, as I said earlier, easier to search for records
in AAD because all of this will be presented into in a format that’s much easier to read.
However, if you want to do some greater statistical analysis, everybody named Abbott, you can
pull up this entire file, and obviously you can do this in AAD, but you can also pull
all of this together and have all of that information at your fingertips and do your
own statistical analysis using any kind of program that will allow you to manipulate
the data. The next data file that I’d like to show you
the ease of downloading and making them available, I just want to go back; I want to show you
the documentation package. So therefore, again, this is a PDF document, very easy, you can
look at this, and what this will do is show you, so here it is. There’s those codes we
were just talking about. So while we have made that available in AAD, if you were downloading
the entire data file, you could pull up this document and then be able to correspond back
and forth, be able to match up the codes and see, you know, everybody from the Women’s
Army Corps that were Prisoners of War, find all of the A’s, or, you know, here is something
that shows, you know, what’s the abbreviation for the Bugler First Class. So this is a 75-page
document. All right. And then here is some of the unprocessed
punch cards, as I was saying. So that’s what we took, we took those cards, except for these,
because they were unprocessed, and we were — so this particular individual, John Cutler,
was killed in action, but his plane crashed over something, not a POW. So therefore that’s
why he’s not in the file because this information was unable to be read when the process was
undertaken to make these files digitally available. Now, we’re going to go back to the Catalog
homepage, and the next thing that we’re going to have a look at is we’re going to look at
the Korean War POW file. All right. So this is the Korean War data
file of the American Prisoners of War. This icon indicates here it is available for download.
So, again, this is the landing page. Here’s the Technical Specification Summary, the download
documentation package, and there is where you would download the entire data file. And
that entire data file looks like that. Okay, again, it’s a little cleaner, again, also
searchable in AAD, but here it is in alphabetical list.
These are service numbers, and then again this is all data that can be evaluated, analyzed,
manipulated, based on the documentation package that you could go ahead and download and have
the entire file at your fingertips. So here is the code, here’s some code lists,
POW camp, so if you’re looking for people in a particular camp, you can go ahead and
look. When looking for — I did a presentation last year, and we went looking for a particular
guy that we knew existed. We knew he was a POW, and we found that he had been interned
in this camp here, I believe, and while he was a POW at the Pyok-Dong Camp, he participated
in the camp Olympics. Their prisoners made the Allied prisoners and American prisoners
participate in an Olympics with other POW camps.
And then for our final
file we’re going to have a look at
is the Vietnam Conflict extract data file. So here again, this is the Technical Specification
Summary, this is the documentation file, this is agency electronic documentation that was
sent to us by the agency when the files were transferred. Here’s some supplemental code
lists, and so what does that whole data file look like? Well, it looks like this. Hope
it opens up. It was being cranky earlier. So this is the extract file. So you can see
if you have a problem with a slower computer, you’re going to want to stick with the extract
file as opposed to the full file. All right. So here is a lot of information
presented in here, so if you can see, identify any sort of one in particular, here is Richard;
he was an ammunition technician; he’s from Elm Wood Park in Cook County, U.S., in Illinois.
He was married, Roman Catholic, white, not specified, killed in action by small arms
fire. So that’s just one particular record in the extract file.
Well, thank you all for attending today’s Know Your Records presentation on military
records available from the Electronic Records Division of the National Archives. It’s truly
an honor to work at the National Archives, as well as assist our Veterans and military
service members for their needs with their records.
I will be happy to take any questions that you might have. It looks like we have at least
one from online.>>(Inaudible)>>JOHN LeGLOAHEC: For photographs I would primarily send you to the Catalog, because
there are a number of photographs that are available online, and you can download the
entire JPEG or GIF file right from the Catalog. AAD is data files and their representation
in a digital environment. We do not have photographs in AAD.>>There’s a tremendous amount of acronyms and abbreviations. You used a lot of acronyms and abbreviations, and you brought up the documentation page with the codes, but I’m
wondering if we need as a researcher when you go into AAD, do you need those abbreviations
and acronyms? And if you do, is there a reference report or a guide to spelling those out?
>>JOHN LeGLOAHEC: In AAD there is. You can download that same documentation out of AAD.
>>Okay.>>JOHN LeGLOAHEC: But out of AAD, what it
will do is it will manifest itself in — so for instance —
so what you see here is — so therefore here
for Mr. Armstrong’s record, here’s Service A means Army, Component Y means selective
service. So all of the codes are presented in that middle column, and their meaning is
presented in the third column. So then you can click on that, and it shows you all of
the codes for that particular field. And then you can also get to the information as well
as the data layout up at the top of the AAD page, and you can download that information
in a variety of places.>>Thank you. I’m going to hog your time.
One last question, and this one is not from me; it’s actually from online. It’s regarding
just after the Civil War. The online question is: I have a great-grandfather who served
just after the Civil War. Later he changed his name. His pension cards after his death
list both names. How do I go about locating his pension file?
>>JOHN LeGLOAHEC: Well, as you might imagine, there aren’t a whole lot of electronic records
available from the Civil War period. In our Division we get that question a lot. I think
we just got one yesterday or the day before. But Civil War records are in the custody of
the Reference Division here at the National Archives at Washington, so that you would
need to contact the Archives 1 Reference at nara.gov who is the holder for Civil War and
military records.>>Thank you so much, John. Does anybody here
in the audience have any questions for our presenter before we wrap up? If you don’t
mind coming to the microphone. The reason we’re asking for you to do that is for our
online audience that are listening and watching on YouTube. Thank you.
>>Hello. I’m interested in knowing about your Citizen Archivist Program that I have
seen online, and it seems that you can submit digital images that you have made yourself
to your group, and I just wondered if you could talk about that.
>>JOHN LeGLOAHEC: Well, it’s not to my group. If you have photographs and digital photographs,
you would submit that to the Still Pictures Unit. And I’m not familiar with the Citizen
Archivist Program, but I’m sure we can find that answer for you, and we can make sure
we get that information to you.>>Specifically, there are pictures of load
lists from a bomb group in World War II.>>JOHN LeGLOAHEC: Sure, yes.
>>Thank you.>>(Inaudible)
>>JOHN LeGLOAHEC: Right. You can send your general inquiries to [email protected] and
they will make sure they get to the right place. Yes, ma’am?
>>I’ve been searching for an American veteran, a gentleman out of Detroit, Michigan, for
about 12 years. I’ve been here several times, sent in the request forms to Missouri, and
I’ve gotten nowhere. I just am trying to find this man. He was a liberator at a concentration
camp in Austria. How do I find out any information about him? I have never gotten anywhere with
this website, but I’ll try it.>>JOHN LeGLOAHEC: So you weren’t even able
to find his enlistment record?>>Nothing. And I have an organization, and
I can find people all over the world and I can’t find an American Veteran from Chicago.
It’s embarrassing.>>JOHN LeGLOAHEC: There’s a variety of issues
that could be with it. For instance, the serial number file, so you said he was Army?
>>The only thing I know is his name. This is from a survivor who is 87 years old, Knows
his name, from Chicago, Illinois.>>JOHN LeGLOAHEC: What was his name?
>>Jerome Rosenthal. And we can’t find him.>>JOHN LeGLOAHEC: Unfortunately, that window
is closing for our World War II Veterans.>>(Inaudible) — I’m not a genealogist archivist.
I’m at a loss.>>JOHN LeGLOAHEC: Do you know his first name?
>>Jerome Rosenthal from Chicago. That’s it. That’s all he knows. He was a kid. He was
13 years old at the time of the liberation. Someone in College Park was very helpful and
so they suggested checking the census.>>JOHN LeGLOAHEC: Yes, that would be my suggestion
as well.>>But I’m stymied.
>>JOHN LeGLOAHEC: Exactly. So there are four Jerome Rosenthals, and there is one from Michigan.
You said Detroit?>>Chicago. My organization works closely
with the Holocaust. There’s a very famous picture of Jerome liberating the camp, and
there’s his name and everything and the Army designation, but we can’t find him. All I
know is Chicago.>>JOHN LeGLOAHEC: Right. So that’s what came
up, is four records for a Jerome Rosenthal; two from New York, one from Pennsylvania,
and one from Michigan. But then there was also one in the Selective Service records.
>>It would have been 1945 that he was in the Army that I know, because —
>>JOHN LeGLOAHEC: Right, and the enlistment records cover from 1938 to 1946. Anybody who
enlisted in the Army during that time period should be in here, and, again, as with the
other punch cards that I was referencing, there were some punch cards that were unable
to be read.>>The file (inaudible)
>>JOHN LeGLOAHEC: No, it’s just because they couldn’t be read by the computers. The punch
cards were kept somewhere other than in St. Louis, which is why we were able to reconstruct
all of these personnel jackets.>>You mean because of the fire?
>>JOHN LeGLOAHEC: That is correct. Thousands of personnel files were destroyed in the fire
of 1973. So it’s possible that his information could have been lost in the fire. Given the
high profile of Mr. Rosenthal, you would think you should be able to find information about
it. If you want, you and I can talk some more later, and I can give you some more ideas
later.>>Yes. I’m stymied. That’s why I’m here.
I mean, I live across the street (inaudible) — thank you.
>>JOHN LeGLOAHEC: You’re welcome. All right. Thank you all very much. I guess Andrea has
some closing words for you.>>ANDREA BASSING MATNEY: Thank you so much,
John. (Applause.)
>>ANDREA BASSING MATNEY: I would like to add, this reminds me, if you have questions
and you’re stumped, you’ve gone, say, through the census records if you’re doing genealogy
work, we have an ongoing genealogy consultation that takes place here that you can sign up
with an archivist. That Archivist is Claire Prechtel-Kluskens, and she is terrific, and
that is under the Know Your Records Program. It takes place on various Saturdays. Unfortunately,
I don’t remember the date off the top of my head, but, again, it’s under the Know Your
Records Program. So if you were to just do a search on your computer for Know Your Records,
it will bring up our web page and then you can look up when the next program takes place,
and you can sit down with Claire Prechtel-Kluskens, the Archivist, and she will devote at least
20 minutes of her time to help you get unstuck. So that program is called: Help, I’m Stuck.
So thank you again for coming to the Know Your Records Program, and we look forward
to seeing you again. Thank you.


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