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Jordan Peterson | How Social Media Affects Us

Jordan Peterson | How Social Media Affects Us


so our next speaker certainly does not
00:07 need any introduction he is the man you
00:10 cornered by his seat he is the man you
00:12 cornered in the foyer and he is the man
00:15 you cornered outside the bathroom so
00:17 please put your hands together for dr.
00:20 Peterson
00:21 [Applause]
00:37 so I was kind of perplexed about what I
00:39 was going to say today because I’m not a
00:41 media expert by any stretch of the
00:43 imagination but I was speaking with
00:46 Jonathan paggio this morning because
00:48 he’s staying in the same same era B&B; as
00:51 my wife and I and he suggested that I
00:54 talk to you about my experiences with
00:57 media over the last year and I thought
00:59 well that’s a that’s something I know
01:01 about so it’s always good when you’re
01:04 talking to people to talk to some talk
01:05 about something that you know about
01:07 that’s actually a really good tip for
01:09 public speaking right if well it’s
01:12 really true you have to remember that
01:13 you should know about three times as
01:15 much about the topic as as you need to
01:18 talk about the topic and then you have
01:20 places you can go and you know you can
01:22 wander around a little bit and be a
01:23 little spontaneous so that’s really
01:25 useful and but then I also thought that
01:28 makes sense because nobody knows
01:30 anything about the situation with
01:32 regards to the media now and so we’re
01:34 all feeling our way and so because the
01:37 technological transformations are so
01:39 rapid and you know they’re going to come
01:40 one after the other in the next 10 years
01:42 I don’t think we can even imagine what’s
01:44 coming down the pipes and we’re all
01:47 struggling to keep up and you know we
01:49 don’t even know how much of the current
01:50 state of more radical political
01:52 polarization is actually a secondary
01:54 consequence of technological
01:56 transformations that we don’t understand
01:58 because I was thinking today about you
02:00 know about Facebook and about Twitter
02:02 and about YouTube and about the idea
02:04 that people are in an echo chamber and
02:06 I’m not really sure that’s the right
02:07 metaphor I think we might be in an
02:09 amplifier rather than an echo chamber
02:10 you know on I’ve thought for a long time
02:13 that when I’m when I’m thinking about
02:16 the effect of the individual I read
02:18 something that Solzhenitsyn said at one
02:20 point and I think he was citing a an
02:22 ancient Christian theologian who defined
02:24 the universe as a place that’s whose
02:26 circumference was nowhere and whose
02:29 center was everywhere and I really like
02:32 that idea it’s I think it’s actually
02:33 relatively true from a technical
02:35 perspective like from a physical
02:37 perspective but Solzhenitsyn pointed out
02:39 that each of us was to be regarded as a
02:42 center of the cosmos and and that
02:44 have the power that’s associated with
02:46 that and I’ve thought about that a lot
02:47 because there’s something about it
02:49 that’s a that’s it’s either obviously
02:51 true or it’s true enough so that we all
02:54 acted out when we interact with each
02:56 other because we treat each other like
02:57 conscious beings who have a destiny and
02:59 who have choices and who make choices
03:01 that are important and who make choices
03:03 that can be good or bad or even good and
03:05 evil we all act like that so we act that
03:08 out and I was thinking that you can
03:12 think of Network models in that way you
03:13 know you can think of human beings as
03:16 like nine billion dots in a row and
03:19 there’s no connections between the dots
03:20 and then you sort of like a dust mote in
03:22 the wind and who the hell cares what you
03:24 think anyways and you don’t have any
03:26 impact on things or you can recognize
03:27 that you’re at the center of a networked
03:29 system and that you know you know a
03:32 thousand people or you will in your
03:33 lifetime or perhaps more than a thousand
03:35 people and then they know a thousand
03:37 people so you’re separated by one person
03:39 from a million and two people from a
03:41 billion and that’s a much better way to
03:43 think and we are seriously networked
03:45 together and we’re networked together
03:47 more now than we ever have been and so
03:50 one of the things that that might mean
03:51 is that the choices you make are
03:54 amplified and distributed not only far
03:58 faster than they ever have been but with
03:59 far more impact and you know one of the
04:02 things that Carl Jung pointed out was
04:04 that he had this idea that when science
04:07 that that elk you know alchemy is the
04:10 root of science in some sense it’s this
04:12 dreamlike substrate out of which science
04:14 emerged and but alchemy was kind of a
04:17 weird at mixture of religious thinking
04:19 and scientific thinking because those
04:20 two things haven’t been differentiated
04:22 back when there were alchemists and you
04:24 believed that what had happened in in
04:26 Europe at least first was that the
04:28 scientific end of alchemy blew up and
04:31 expanded at an exponential rate and that
04:33 led to this advanced technological
04:35 civilization that we have but that the
04:36 moral dimension that was embedded in the
04:38 religious symbolism didn’t develop at
04:40 all and so we’re in this unstable
04:42 situation where we’re far more
04:44 technologically proficient than we are
04:46 wise and that that’s actually a big
04:49 problem because obviously the more
04:50 powerful the tools you generate the more
04:53 intelligent ethically you better be or
04:56 things are going to really
04:58 are going to go to hell in a handbasket
05:00 very very rapidly you know I had this
05:03 thought I think I shared it a little bit
05:05 last night that you know in the next
05:07 five years six years we’re gonna develop
05:09 pretty viciously intelligent AI systems
05:11 and that’s already happening you know I
05:12 mean they’re monitoring YouTube and
05:14 they’re monitoring Facebook and they’re
05:15 monitoring Google and they’re trying to
05:16 make ethical decisions these AI systems
05:19 and the problem is is that the ethical
05:21 presuppositions of the programmers are
05:23 being embedded into the infrastructure
05:24 of the net and that’s a hell of a thing
05:27 to think because it means that for
05:28 better or worse we’re building automated
05:30 intelligences that reflect our own
05:32 morality and we better be very careful
05:34 about what our morality is if we’re
05:36 going to automate it because automated
05:38 systems are incredibly powerful so so
05:41 that’s that’s kind of that’s where we’re
05:42 at at least to some degree in terms of
05:45 the new technological transformations
05:47 with in in communication technology you
05:50 know it puts each of us at the at the
05:52 center of a wide web of connections and
05:54 makes the consequences of our moral
05:56 decisions much more immediately manifest
05:58 to each of us it kind of begs the
06:00 question to like how should you behave
06:02 on Facebook and how should you behave on
06:04 Twitter I think Twitter drives me a
06:06 little bit crazy you know I’m on it a
06:09 fair bit I’m not sure it’s a good thing
06:11 and I tend to distribute things that are
06:15 alarming let’s say in some sense maybe
06:17 they are alarming ideological or
06:19 ideologically they’re disturbing and I
06:22 was thinking about that today in
06:23 preparation for this talk and I wasn’t
06:25 really sure that was necessarily a good
06:27 idea because there are a lot of alarming
06:30 things happening all the time everywhere
06:32 obviously and now we can share all of
06:35 them always all the time and so that
06:39 means that instead of hearing about one
06:41 alarming thing a day you’re hearing
06:43 about like 500 alarming things a day and
06:45 so then you know what are you supposed
06:47 to do about that is that does that
06:49 indicate the state that there’s a state
06:51 of emergency well you don’t know because
06:53 you don’t know how to calibrate the
06:54 information so I was thinking well maybe
06:56 the right way to behave on Twitter is
06:57 only to forward good things that are
07:00 happening you know because there’s lots
07:01 of good things that are happening but I
07:03 actually don’t know the answer to that I
07:04 have no idea and I don’t think anybody
07:06 else does either I do know that there
07:09 are studies with regards to Facebook
07:10 that show that the more time
07:12 you spend on Facebook the more depressed
07:13 you are and that it looks like it’s a
07:15 causal relationship rather than just a
07:17 correlational relationship and it seems
07:19 to have something to do with the fact
07:21 that Facebook is one of those platforms
07:23 where everybody puts up an advertisement
07:25 for their life right it’s like Here I am
07:27 with my new girlfriend in the Bahamas
07:29 being happy and Here I am in a mountain
07:31 being happy and it’s like it’s not you
07:33 like miserable with a cover over your
07:35 head unable to get out of bed you don’t
07:37 you don’t you don’t broadcast that you
07:40 can think well that means you’re
07:42 presenting people with a falsely
07:43 positive view of your life and then they
07:45 compare their lives to it and they come
07:47 up short and you think well that’s a
07:49 kind of deception but by the same token
07:52 you don’t stop random strangers on the
07:53 street and tell them how miserable your
07:55 life is right they don’t want to hear
07:56 about that they they want to see a
07:58 facade of normality in in in you know
08:01 just casual day-to-day interactions and
08:04 so part of pro-social behavior is only
08:06 to put what’s at least you know
08:09 normative and good forward so it doesn’t
08:12 matter I mean so I don’t think that’s
08:14 necessarily deception but the mass
08:16 consequence of that is something that we
08:17 don’t understand at all
08:19 and so well so with that sort of
08:22 introduction I’m gonna kind of walk you
08:23 through my experience with social media
08:26 and let’s say the old media for lack of
08:29 a better word and I’ll try to give you a
08:31 balance to count and to tell you well
08:34 and to see if I can draw some
08:35 conclusions about what’s happened I mean
08:37 my life for the last year has been so
08:40 busy that I haven’t had proper time to
08:43 reflect on what’s been happening and
08:45 even if I did I wouldn’t I’m not exactly
08:46 sure I would be able to understand it
08:48 anyways because it isn’t sure I’m not I
08:51 don’t think I have a framework of a
08:52 reference within which to put it so I
08:55 started working for this company called
08:58 television TV Ontario about 1516 years
09:01 ago I had talked to a producer his name
09:03 was what action Berg
09:04 he’s a immigrated Polish Jew and a
09:07 really smart guy and he phoned me up at
09:10 the University and one of the things
09:12 that distinguishes me to some degree
09:14 from my colleagues is that I’ll talk to
09:16 the press and that I’m actually not
09:17 afraid of them or distrustful of them
09:20 like a lot of my colleagues not all of
09:22 them are
09:23 like they’re critical of the press
09:25 Hartley in an arrogant way and partly in
09:27 a defensive way they say well they
09:29 always get it wrong it’s like well first
09:31 of all there isn’t that they and they
09:32 don’t always get it wrong and you know
09:35 they’ll also shy away from the press as
09:38 if they’re being intruded upon when the
09:40 truth is generally speaking the ideas
09:42 that they’re putting forward aren’t of
09:43 sufficient interest in draw public
09:45 attention anyways and so but I talked to
09:48 audit for a long time and he invited me
09:51 to go on a couple of shows and then then
09:55 I ended up on TV owes the agenda which
09:57 is a pretty good public affairs show
09:59 it’s one of the few I would say deep
10:02 news shows left that that are on normal
10:05 broadcast TV and you know they go into
10:07 issues in some depth although they’ve
10:09 fragmented that up a bit in recent years
10:11 and I became a fairly common guest on
10:14 those shows and people seem to like what
10:17 I was saying which always surprised me I
10:19 mean but but it was good because you
10:22 know it must be pretty damn horrible to
10:24 put yourself out in the public eye and
10:25 face primary criticism for what you’re
10:29 doing I think that would be unbearable
10:30 in some sense unless you were very very
10:32 strongly constituted and then well that
10:36 went on for a while and modak was
10:38 running this series called big ideas
10:41 which was actually quite prescient you
10:43 know so he had lecturers come to Toronto
10:46 and and he had all pretty much all the
10:49 major public intellectuals in the world
10:50 over a period of about five years or six
10:52 years or so come and deliver bare-bones
10:55 lectures of this sort fundamentally and
10:58 he’d taped them and put them on TV you
11:00 know and and that was sort of unheard of
11:03 the production quality was well high but
11:06 not over produced weren’t multiple
11:08 cameras and edits and an intelligent
11:10 commentary from people in the background
11:12 it was purely content driven you know
11:15 and it actually got pretty popular on on
11:18 iTunes and you can still find the
11:20 lectures there but TV Oh couldn’t they
11:23 they they pulled the show even though
11:25 their primary mandate from the
11:29 government was to educate the public and
11:31 this was a very low-budget show with
11:32 very high quality Minds that people were
11:35 actually watching and downloading a
11:37 on iTunes but they they didn’t seem to
11:39 take the non-standard media with any
11:42 degree of seriousness and you know
11:44 that’s kind of a common human attribute
11:46 which is that if you don’t know about
11:48 something you don’t take it seriously
11:49 right and it’s because if you don’t know
11:51 about it well it’s just gray and fuzzy
11:54 right to you
11:54 you have no differentiated knowledge so
11:57 it’s easy to oversimplify it and I think
11:59 part of the problem with the classical
12:01 media let’s say trying to make a
12:03 transition to the digital age is that
12:05 they have no idea what the digital media
12:07 is like I was watching an MSNBC clip the
12:11 other day about this robot I think her
12:13 name is Sophia who who has a fairly
12:16 advanced degree of artificial
12:18 intelligence and who can manifest pretty
12:20 realistic human facial emotions and it
12:24 was a four-minute clip and at a
12:25 30-second ad at the beginning of it and
12:27 you couldn’t skip the ad and I thought
12:29 there’s a real arrogance on the part of
12:31 the MA MSNBC people to put that on
12:34 YouTube because anybody who’s familiar
12:36 with the YouTube let’s say culture knows
12:39 that well you get to put a 10-second ad
12:41 on and then you get to skip it after
12:43 five seconds if you want like you can’t
12:45 ask people to pay 30 seconds of
12:48 attention for four minutes of content it
12:50 violates the norms and so it had only
12:52 had about 12,000 views and that’s a
12:54 really interesting example of Marshall
12:56 McLuhan’s idea that the medium is the
12:58 message right as you build a new
13:00 technological infrastructure and it’s
13:02 sort of like the old thing because
13:04 YouTube is sort of like a TV network but
13:07 it’s also not like a TV network at all
13:09 partly for example because when you put
13:11 something on YouTube it’s permanent
13:12 that’s way different than broadcast TV
13:15 like it’s RIT seriously revolutionarily
13:18 different and so and it’s also the case
13:22 to that and then this is a strange thing
13:25 and I don’t think the classic media
13:27 understands this either is that YouTube
13:28 people don’t like high production values
13:30 in fact they’re very cynical about them
13:32 and I think that’s because they’ve come
13:34 to identify advanced editing and glitz
13:38 as markers that the information is
13:40 actually being manipulated which of
13:42 course it is now for better or worse I
13:45 mean editing doesn’t have to be
13:46 manipulating but it certainly can be and
13:48 so and besides that a lot of
13:51 more tech-savvy people that watch
13:53 YouTube can duplicate those sort of
13:54 special effects in their own home in
13:56 half an hour so they’re not that they’re
13:58 they’re no longer markers of the kind of
14:01 competence and technological prowess
14:03 that would signal the sort of competence
14:05 that you could trust so so what YouTube
14:09 viewers seem to like is basically
14:12 ordinary people more or less trying to
14:16 have an intelligent conversation about
14:17 something confusing and important and
14:19 indeed the the attention span that
14:22 people are willing to devote to that is
14:24 actually quite remarkable for for a
14:26 medium that was nothing but cute cat
14:27 videos say five years ago the fact that
14:30 like a lot of my lectures and like Joe
14:32 Rogan’s podcast like three hours long
14:34 it’s like what the hell people weren’t
14:36 supposed to have that capacity to pay
14:38 attention in this era of fragmented
14:40 attention you know and Rogin I don’t
14:43 know if you know this or not he has a
14:46 hundred and twenty million downloads a
14:48 month now
14:48 so that’s 1.5 billion downloads a year
14:52 and so the last time I saw him and that
14:54 was with Brett who just spoke I I asked
14:57 him what it was like to be the most
14:59 powerful interviewer the world has ever
15:00 seen because I think he probably is if
15:03 you think about it in sheer numbers I
15:04 mean maybe Walter Cronkite back in the
15:06 60s had some comparable influence but he
15:09 said I just don’t think about it and
15:10 like what what the hell is he supposed
15:13 to think about it
15:14 because no one knows what to think about
15:16 that and so he just has the
15:18 conversations and posts them and away he
15:20 goes but he has no idea what role he’s
15:22 currently playing in society and we
15:24 don’t have proper metrics for measuring
15:26 it and we don’t understand it at all so
15:29 anyways I did these big idea lectures
15:32 with with woad ekend and they were
15:34 ranked on on the TV old channel and the
15:38 five lectures or six lectures I did all
15:40 ended up in the top 20 which really
15:43 surprised me but was an indication that
15:45 there was something about what I was
15:46 talking about that for which there was a
15:48 market and now there’s there’s some
15:51 reasons for that I think you know when I
15:53 I wrote a book from 1984 to 1999 called
15:57 maps of meaning and a lot of the things
15:59 I talk about come out of all the reading
16:01 I did during that period cuz I was
16:03 reading and then
16:04 same amount and thinking really non-stop
16:06 16 hours a day like the only way I could
16:08 stop myself from thinking was to go
16:10 workout with weights I couldn’t shut off
16:12 my my concern with the issues that I was
16:15 dealing with and I was spending about 3
16:17 hours a day writing and I did that every
16:19 day for 15 years and that was the
16:21 consequence that was the book and the
16:26 writing also helped a tremendous amount
16:27 because it helps clarify your thinking
16:29 writing you know because actually you’re
16:32 smarter when you write because you can
16:34 externalize your thoughts and then you
16:37 can you can use your working memory to
16:39 analyze what you’ve written instead of
16:41 remembering the thought and so you’re
16:43 externalizing your memory you can
16:44 analyze what you thought you can refine
16:46 it you can reorder it you can edit like
16:48 mad with a word processor which is also
16:50 a very new thing to editing is very
16:53 difficult if you have to do that with
16:54 pen and paper with a typewriter it’s
16:56 like forget it you you get your first
16:58 draft and that’s it and so but what I
17:01 was doing with maps of meaning was I was
17:03 trying to solve a problem and the
17:05 problem was it was the problem as far as
17:08 I was concerned that underlie the
17:09 conflict between the Western world and
17:12 the Communist world essentially and that
17:15 problem was well the reason it was a
17:17 problem was because we were so highly
17:19 armed even as we are now and of course
17:21 that problems manifesting itself once
17:23 again with North Korea that might render
17:25 everything we’re talking about
17:26 completely irrelevant right we because
17:28 we don’t know which catastrophe is the
17:30 one most worth worrying about but I was
17:33 interested in the conflict between the
17:36 Communist way of looking at the world in
17:38 the western way of looking at the world
17:40 and I think I actually had a postmodern
17:42 concern with that because one of the
17:44 things I was curious about was well the
17:47 world is susceptible to a multitude of
17:49 interpretations and opinions and the
17:52 communist interpretation is ones form of
17:54 interpretation and the Western
17:57 capitalist democratic form of
17:59 interpretation is another form of
18:01 interpretation and is there any grounds
18:03 on which you can determine that one of
18:06 those is superior to the other or more
18:08 correct than the other or is it a matter
18:11 purely of opinion and social
18:13 organization or maybe even warfare to
18:15 determine who’s going to be the victor
18:17 maybe there’s no other
18:18 determining who’s going to be the victor
18:20 of an actual conflict it’s certainly
18:22 possible and so I started to look
18:24 underneath belief structures and I
18:27 didn’t know you could do that really to
18:29 begin with you know my first degree was
18:31 in political science and I kind of
18:33 wandered out of that when the
18:34 professor’s kept insisting to me in the
18:36 upper years of my studies that all the
18:39 conflict between human beings was driven
18:40 by economic disparity and I just never
18:43 bought that because that’s like saying
18:46 that people fight about what they value
18:48 and for me that just begged the question
18:50 of well yeah I fair enough obviously
18:52 it’s it’s it’s almost self-evident but
18:54 the real question is why do they value
18:56 what they value because human beings are
18:58 quite a diverse lot and it’s not
19:00 self-evident why we value some things of
19:02 it rather than other things like if
19:04 you’re starving to death it’s obvious
19:05 that you’re going to value food but
19:07 that’s a limit case you know it’s it’s
19:09 not that interesting so it’s it’s too
19:12 simplified so I didn’t find that a
19:16 compelling explanation and I still don’t
19:19 I think the economic explanation for for
19:22 human conflict is is shallow and
19:24 tautological even and then I started to
19:27 read some people whose writings really
19:30 gripped me and I think that’s an
19:32 interesting phenomena you know and I was
19:35 studying psychology by this point I’d
19:37 switched into psychology and I was
19:40 starting to read the psychoanalysts and
19:42 I really got I really got interested in
19:44 what they had to say partly from reading
19:47 Freud because I was really interested in
19:50 his analysis of family dynamics and of
19:52 dreams but more particularly from
19:54 reading Jung and one of the things I
19:55 learned from Jung which really has never
19:58 ceased to shock me was his see he
20:02 basically made a point and the point was
20:04 that you’re not master in your own house
20:06 that there are forces that are are
20:09 operating on you at an unconscious level
20:12 that determine for example the direction
20:16 of your attention so for example you
20:18 know how sometimes you’ll read something
20:20 and to really grip you and then you’ll
20:22 read something else and like you can’t
20:23 even concentrate on it and you might say
20:25 well I need to concentrate on this
20:28 boring thing you know because an exam
20:30 depends on it or a promotion and there’s
20:32 just no
20:32 damn way you you’re reading it in your
20:34 attention Flitz all over the place and
20:35 and you know you’re undisciplined and
20:37 all that but but then you have this
20:39 other thing and it just grips you like
20:40 this and you think okay well what what’s
20:43 doing that it’s not your will because
20:46 your will would be the thing that would
20:48 allow you to concentrate on whatever you
20:49 chose to concentrate on it’s something
20:52 underneath your will that’s actually
20:54 directing your attention and you could
20:56 say well it’s random but of course it’s
20:58 not it’s maybe random if you have a
21:00 serious case of schizophrenia but and I
21:03 think in some sense that’s actually the
21:04 definition of schizophrenia but it’s not
21:07 random if you’re a functioning human
21:08 being the thing that grips your
21:10 attention and directs it to one place or
21:12 another is something that’s well it’s a
21:14 deep instinct it’s a manifestation of
21:16 what Jung called the self which is a
21:18 very interesting idea so Jung thought
21:20 there’s such a cool idea he thought that
21:23 the mechanism that directed your
21:25 attention in the present was your future
21:28 self attempting to manifest itself in
21:30 the present world so you might say well
21:32 you have a potential and that potential
21:35 is what you could be in time and in
21:38 order for that potential to manifest
21:39 itself it has to be palpable in the
21:41 present and the way that instinct for
21:44 further develop manifests itself in the
21:46 present is by directing your attention
21:48 towards things that are likely to
21:49 increase your competence and further
21:51 your growth right now and that’s just an
21:54 unbelievable idea you know it’s like
21:56 you’re your potential better self
21:58 beckoning to you in the present amazing
22:01 and I really can’t think of a better
22:03 explanation for it than that that’s if
22:05 that’s a really good explanation but a
22:07 very frightening one because it means in
22:09 some sense that you’re that something is
22:12 fundamental as your attention is more or
22:14 less controlled by processes that are so
22:16 deep that you don’t have a tremendous
22:18 amount of voluntary control over them
22:20 like you can interact with the forces to
22:22 some degree but you know you’re not one
22:23 of those perky creatures that can just
22:25 tell yourself what to do
22:27 life would be really easy if that’s what
22:29 it was like right you’d it’s time to go
22:31 to the gym three days a week two hours a
22:33 day it’s like you know you’re Superman
22:34 in two years you can eat properly and
22:36 you know you’re not gonna drink too much
22:38 and you’re not gonna take cocaine and
22:40 all of these things you just tell
22:41 yourself that and bang you quit and it’s
22:43 kind of weird that it isn’t that way
22:45 but it’s really seriously not that way
22:48 anyways when I was looking at the
22:51 difference between the communist system
22:53 and the Western capitalist system I
22:55 started to get underneath the belief
22:57 systems to find out what was there it UN
22:59 was extremely helpful and other thinkers
23:02 that I’m sure you’ve heard me mention if
23:04 you’ve listened to my lectures Nietzsche
23:05 and and Dostoevsky and social Nets and
23:07 seem to be the people who had dug
23:10 deepest down into those subterranean
23:12 levels and what I found I think was that
23:14 the communist system was very was very
23:17 shallow it was predicated on a set of
23:19 rational assumptions that were generated
23:21 by a handful of people with no real
23:23 biological or historical routing and I
23:27 think that the fact that that was the
23:30 case was part of the reason why when
23:32 those ideas unfolded in real time they
23:35 were so murderous they just weren’t
23:37 imagine that you know Karl Marx was
23:40 thinking well here’s the game that we’re
23:42 playing and here are the rules and so
23:43 that he laid out the rules explicitly
23:45 and then people made societies that
23:48 followed those rules and it turned out
23:49 that that game didn’t work at all
23:51 he just got it wrong and like seriously
23:54 wrong whereas in the West the ideas
23:56 emerged from a an unbroken historical
23:59 process that stretches back probably to
24:02 the beginning of civilization say maybe
24:05 maybe all the way back to Africa who
24:07 knows how how ancient these ideas are
24:09 and there’s there’s an unbroken
24:10 continuity of ideas that emerged up and
24:13 that and they’re expressed in symbolic
24:16 form and it’s on that symbolic platform
24:18 which actually matches our biology and
24:20 our behavior that are more articulated
24:22 ideas rest upon and so I found that
24:25 extremely useful and surprising I mean
24:29 it wasn’t what I expected and and at the
24:33 same time I was I was I had another
24:38 problem that he merged while I was
24:39 dealing with this and one was that I
24:41 come to understand what group identity
24:44 meant to people like you have to have a
24:45 group identity because you live with
24:47 other people and unless you have a
24:49 shared identity Jonathan talked about
24:51 this a bit unless you have a central
24:53 pole around which you’re all oriented
24:55 it’s all chaotic and confused and and
24:58 you’re in constant conflict
24:59 in warfare it’s like that’s a bad thing
25:01 you don’t you do not want that and
25:03 you’re all confused individually and all
25:05 of that that’s a state of chaos it’s
25:07 unbearable but if you tighten up the
25:11 group identity to to grade a degree say
25:13 like the Nazis tried to do then the
25:15 probability that you’ll come to blows
25:17 with other groups reaches a almost a
25:19 point of certainty right and so it
25:22 seemed to me that human beings were
25:23 damned if they did and damned if they
25:25 didn’t on the on the one hand if you
25:27 dropped your group identity then you
25:29 fragmented and degenerated into chaos
25:31 and if you gripped hard to your group
25:34 identity then you you tilted towards
25:36 totalitarianism and group conflict and
25:39 then I thought well that was okay in the
25:40 past to tilt towards group conflict
25:42 because you know when we had sticks and
25:45 swords we’d have a war and lots of
25:47 people would get killed and lots of
25:48 people would get hurt but the entire
25:50 planet wouldn’t burst into flames right
25:52 so you know this this this inborn
25:57 dichotomy of catastrophe that
25:59 characterized human existence wasn’t
26:02 something that could spiral into
26:03 complete destruction and so we could get
26:06 away with it but now in a thermonuclear
26:08 age it’s like we didn’t we can’t get
26:09 away with it but that’s still what we’re
26:11 like we’re still like that and so for
26:14 months I thought oh my god I always
26:16 believed that if you could get to the
26:17 bottom of a problem you could solve it
26:19 because that was sort of the definition
26:21 of getting to the bottom of it you know
26:23 you solution would emerge and when I got
26:25 to the bottom of it as far as I could go
26:27 I thought oh it’s group identity and
26:29 like group foster warfare and
26:32 catastrophe on the one hand and
26:33 degenerate nihilism on the other it’s
26:36 like well jigs up there’s no way out of
26:38 that and I had a prophetic dream at that
26:42 point which and I won’t tell you the
26:43 details of that but it outlined a third
26:46 path to me that that I had already
26:49 picked up to some degree from reading
26:50 Jung and also Eric Newman who is one of
26:53 Jung’s great students and that was that
26:56 had to do with the embodiment of the
26:58 idea of the hero and the individual as
27:00 the like the pathway of the courageous
27:02 individual as the mediating force
27:04 between the chaos of nihilism and the
27:07 totalitarian of totalitarianism of
27:10 authority and authoritarian certainty
27:12 the
27:13 there was a third path and then I
27:15 started to understand its relationship
27:17 to religious thinking mostly to
27:19 Christianity partly because that’s my
27:20 tradition you know insofar as I’m a
27:23 Western person say and I understood as
27:25 well that it had something to do and
27:28 that this was what it was dramatized in
27:30 the in the in in the passion story in
27:33 the New Testament was that it had
27:35 something to do with taking
27:36 responsibility for malevolence because
27:39 Christ is our cotillion who takes the
27:42 world’s sins upon himself and what that
27:44 means in some sense is that if you read
27:46 about history you read about Nazi
27:48 Germany you read about the Soviet gulags
27:50 you don’t read as a observer looking at
27:53 what other people have done you read as
27:56 the subject and the object of the
27:59 history you’re both the person who was
28:01 persecuted and the victimizer at the
28:03 same time and you you have to see both
28:05 of those inside you as actual forces in
28:07 order to understand history properly and
28:09 of course that’s a very very terrifying
28:12 thing to do it’s easier to take the part
28:14 of victim in some sense even though
28:16 that’s terrible right because who wants
28:18 to be the victim of a concentration camp
28:19 obviously but maybe that’s preferable
28:22 ethically to being the perpetrator but
28:24 when you’re reading about auswitch
28:26 you’re not reading about past history
28:27 you’re reading about exactly what people
28:30 are like and that’s a very terrifying
28:32 thing and so one of the things you have
28:34 to do if you’re going to take
28:36 responsibility for the nature of your
28:38 being is to take responsibility for the
28:40 malevolence that’s truly part of human
28:42 nature and that’s that’s part of the
28:45 encounter with the shadow from the
28:46 Jungian perspective and you know one of
28:48 Ewing’s proposition was that the human
28:50 shadow reaches all the way down to hell
28:52 and you know we’re used to thinking of
28:56 religious language maybe even as
28:58 outdated superstition but if you take
29:00 that sort of statement seriously from a
29:02 psychological perspective what it means
29:04 in some sense is that the malevolence
29:06 that resides inside you at least in
29:08 potential is of the same sort as the
29:11 malevolence that produces the worst
29:13 things that human beings is that have
29:14 ever done and so and I couldn’t see any
29:18 way out of that argument I mean the more
29:20 I read about the gulags system in the
29:23 USSR and what happened in China and what
29:25 happened in Nazi Germany
29:26 the more it became evident to me that
29:27 these weren’t top-down systems imposed
29:30 by tyrants on an unwilling innocent
29:33 population but decisions on the part of
29:35 entire cultures to go down a certain
29:36 Road often the leaders were following
29:39 which I would say was particularly the
29:41 case with Hitler which isn’t to deny him
29:43 his criminal culpability but Hitler was
29:46 unbelievably good at letting the crowd
29:49 tell him what to say you know he was a
29:51 he was a mirror for the crowd and he was
29:54 a good orator but he paid attention to
29:56 the crowd and so when he said something
29:58 that made everyone cheer you know their
30:01 dark hearts would come out in the mob
30:02 and cheer about something he said that
30:04 was say dramatic room or vengeful well
30:07 then he’d say more of that and the
30:09 things that he said that were peaceful
30:10 that produced no emotional reaction from
30:12 the crowd he just said less of and so
30:14 the crowd taught him over time exactly
30:16 what to sell them and not that can be
30:19 good in some sense if a leader does that
30:21 carefully that
30:22 that means he’s integrating what the
30:24 crowd wants with his style of leadership
30:26 but it can be terrible if the mob is the
30:29 crowd and the mob is outraged and out
30:32 for blood and that’s what happened in
30:34 Nazi Germany and so you can’t blame it
30:36 on Hitler that’s just not reasonable
30:37 it’s distributed through the entire
30:39 population and it’s a individual level
30:42 of analysis that’s most significant and
30:46 well so there’s malevolence that has to
30:49 be contended with and then the other
30:50 element is that you have to contend with
30:52 the tragedy of life and that’s so in the
30:54 in the passion of the christ’ did that
30:57 in that story Christ of course
30:58 encounters Satan in the desert and so
31:00 that’s and is tempted there and so
31:02 that’s the encounter with evil architect
31:04 lease peeking and then the crucifixion
31:06 itself is the encounter with the tragedy
31:08 of life right it’s betrayal and death
31:10 voluntarily accepted and so I understood
31:13 that that was a symbolic representation
31:15 of the logos and that that was the what
31:19 would you say the embodied manifestation
31:22 of this heroic path that mediated
31:24 between these two extremes that was
31:26 really useful like that was a really
31:27 useful discovery for me and because
31:30 there was implications to it too and and
31:32 and profound implications that also seem
31:34 to work out in relationship to what I
31:37 was learning about clinical psychology
31:38 so for example one of the things you do
31:40 if you’re a clinical psychologist as you
31:42 help people learn to encounter things
31:46 that they’re afraid of in a controlled
31:47 manner and they get less they don’t get
31:50 less afraid they get braver
31:51 so you actually act out the process of
31:53 confrontation with tragedy voluntary
31:55 confrontation with tragedy and that’s
31:57 curative it doesn’t matter if you’re
31:59 exposing them to their past or the
32:00 present or things they’re worried about
32:02 in the future as long as they decide to
32:03 do it voluntarily they get stronger and
32:06 better so you think well what’s the
32:08 limit to that well the limit is to
32:10 accept the limitations and catastrophes
32:13 of your own mortality voluntarily and
32:15 and that’s the potentially the proper
32:18 pathway through life or at least it’s
32:20 the least bad pathway through life which
32:23 is something you know and then I think
32:25 the same can be said fairly decisively
32:27 for the willingness to grapple with with
32:30 malevolence on a personal and individual
32:34 level you know on so anyways I started
32:37 to lecture about that and and to lay out
32:39 those ideas more and more clearly over
32:41 the years as I’ve been lecturing and
32:42 that’s what I did for TV Ontario and I
32:45 think that that’s why the lectures
32:47 became popular because you know I’d put
32:50 some words to ideas that people already
32:52 knew and could revitalize a symbolic
32:54 vocabulary that people had become
32:56 divorced from and and that there is a
32:58 hole in the culture exactly where those
33:00 ideas needed to be and so people found
33:02 that they were well people tell me when
33:05 they come and talk to me they said well
33:07 when you’re talking it’s like I already
33:09 know what you’re saying but I don’t have
33:11 the words for it it’s like well that’s
33:13 exactly what our archetypal story is
33:15 like is that you all know the story you
33:17 just don’t know you know it or you know
33:19 at a level that you can’t articulate but
33:22 you still recognize it when you see it
33:24 and you still act it out and you see it
33:26 in other people but it’s really really
33:28 really good to have the words and that’s
33:31 partly why you should be very careful of
33:33 what what you say and particularly
33:35 careful about what you write know anyhow
33:39 after the big ideas thing Waldeck came
33:43 into my classes and taped maps of
33:45 meaning and made 13 30 minutes TV shows
33:48 out of them and that was pretty
33:49 interesting and they were broadcast and
33:52 kind of evanescent because at that
33:54 point they weren’t put on the web so
33:56 they’re broadcast they pretty much
33:57 disappear right and so so so so fine so
34:03 and I got some degree of what would you
34:07 say I got I was exposed my ideas were
34:10 exposed to a large number of people tens
34:12 of thousands of people as a consequence
34:14 of that and that seemed to go pretty
34:15 well and so then YouTube came along and
34:18 I thought well I don’t know what this is
34:22 this YouTube thing and you know the
34:25 comments section makes you like what
34:28 would you say wary about being human I
34:31 would say generally speaking and you
34:33 know there was a lot of well there were
34:37 a lot of things that it would be easy to
34:38 be contemptuous of on YouTube like the
34:40 canonical cute cat videos but I’m
34:43 actually not so contemptuous of that or
34:46 the interesting animal videos because I
34:48 think they actually speak to a part of
34:50 people that’s actually quite good
34:52 we like cats we like dogs we think
34:54 animals are kind of cool and you know we
34:56 take a break and look at look at
34:57 something that’s Pleasant and cute and
34:59 maybe that’s not so bad
35:01 it’s not serious but it’s certainly not
35:03 malevolent and that’s something so I
35:06 thought okay well I’ll find these old
35:09 videos I did for TV oh and I’ll put them
35:12 up on YouTube and maybe I’ll just tape
35:14 my classes and so I set up because I
35:16 have this theory that if it’s worth
35:18 doing it’s worth doing badly which you
35:20 know it’s true but it’s also true that
35:23 if it’s worth doing it’s worth doing
35:24 well you just need to know when to apply
35:26 those two principles and if you’re
35:28 loathe to do something and
35:30 procrastinating then sometimes it’s
35:32 better to do it badly and I thought well
35:34 I can’t get a whole production studio up
35:36 and running and because I just don’t
35:38 have the time I’ll get an iPad and learn
35:40 to use it and get a lavalier mic and
35:43 just set the thing up or maybe have a
35:45 student film it and so I did that for a
35:48 couple of years for my personality class
35:50 in this maps of meaning class which is
35:52 the class where I outlined the sorts of
35:54 ideas that I just described to you and
35:56 last April I noticed that I’d had a
36:00 million views in about 15,000
36:03 subscribers
36:03 no one I thought huh million views a
36:07 that’s an actually a lot of views it’s
36:09 like if I have never write a scientific
36:12 paper that’s been read a million times
36:13 no one has that just never happens right
36:16 that’s happens zero times if it if you
36:19 have a paper that’s cited you know
36:21 someone else refers to it and one of
36:22 their scientific papers a hundred times
36:24 it’s like that’s a homerun and a
36:26 thousand times is a miracle so and then
36:30 if you write a book you know there’s
36:31 think one point two million books
36:33 published last year something like that
36:35 and I think five hundred of them sold
36:36 more than a hundred thousand copies so
36:39 that’s a sea of books right it’s an
36:41 ocean of books and all of them fail
36:44 really so so many of them fail that you
36:46 might as well never write a book because
36:48 the probability that it will fail is
36:50 like 99.99% and that would be very
36:54 depressing if it wasn’t the case that
36:55 that’s the case for anything creative
36:57 you ever do so it’s just baseline
36:59 probability but I thought well if I
37:01 wrote a book and it sold a million
37:03 copies man I’d be out dancing in the
37:04 street probably not but you know you get
37:08 the idea so what does it mean to have a
37:10 million YouTube views well who the hell
37:13 knows right I mean we don’t have metrics
37:15 for that we don’t know what sort of
37:17 influence that’s having we don’t know
37:18 anything about that we don’t know
37:20 whether we should take it seriously or
37:21 or if it’s or who you’re talking to or
37:24 anything but I thought well still it’s a
37:26 million and that’s a lot and I thought
37:29 well maybe this is this is more serious
37:31 thing than I initially envisioned and
37:35 then I really thought about it and I
37:37 thought oh I get it
37:40 here’s a hypothesis you know back in the
37:43 medieval times and before if if you
37:46 wanted a book someone had to copy it by
37:48 hand and so there weren’t many books and
37:50 they were very expensive and so and then
37:53 Gutenberg came along and invented the
37:55 movable type press and it was like poof
37:57 books were inexpensive and everybody
37:59 could have them and not like was that
38:00 was a major revolution right within four
38:03 hundred years almost everyone in the
38:05 Western world and then very rapidly
38:07 almost everyone in the entire world was
38:09 literate and could read silently even
38:12 which was something that before that was
38:14 reserved for a very small number of
38:15 people because most people read out loud
38:17 when they read at all
38:19 so that was a massive revolution and
38:20 then I thought wait a minute maybe
38:23 YouTube is a Gutenberg Revolution
38:26 because it allows the spoken word to
38:29 have the same reach and longevity as a
38:32 book for the first time in human history
38:37 spontaneous speeches can reach an
38:40 infinite audience for a for an
38:43 unspecified duration of time well that’s
38:46 a whole new thing that’s a that’s an
38:48 entirely new thing and maybe it’s easier
38:51 for people to listen than it is for them
38:53 to read you know I mean I’d rather read
38:55 than listen because I can read way
38:57 faster than I can listen but people will
38:59 listen to a YouTube video at twice the
39:01 normal speed sometimes more so you can
39:03 circumvent that and then also with a
39:06 youtube video if you convert it into a
39:08 podcast let’s say which I’ll get to to a
39:10 moment you all of a sudden have way more
39:13 time than you used to have because you
39:15 can listen to a podcast while you’re
39:18 doing other things so you can do mundane
39:20 the mundane things that you have to do
39:21 from day to day like commute and so on
39:24 but you can listen to a podcast and I
39:26 found that my students my young students
39:29 are now listening to podcasts instead of
39:32 music and that’s really something you
39:35 know because music of course has been an
39:36 unbelievably dynamic cultural force for
39:39 maybe the the primary artistic cultural
39:42 force for what maybe maybe since the
39:46 1950s anyways and that’s being
39:49 supplanted to some degree by podcasts
39:51 and that’s really something and then it
39:53 also turns out that people have an
39:54 appetite for long detailed podcasts that
39:58 are deep and informative
40:00 it’s like who the hell would have
40:01 guessed that like no one it’s it just
40:04 sort of came out of nowhere and so I
40:07 thought well maybe this is worth taking
40:09 seriously and then like at the same time
40:12 I was interested in I’ve always been
40:15 interested in entrepreneur types and
40:17 creative types and they’re they’re high
40:18 in this big five personality trait
40:20 called openness and there are the people
40:23 from whom all innovation flows but it’s
40:25 very hard for creative people to
40:27 monetize their creation because to
40:29 monetize something you have to have the
40:31 idea and then you
40:32 have to translate it into a product and
40:34 then you have to bring it to market and
40:36 then you have to sell it and then you
40:37 have to develop customer relationships
40:39 and you and customer support and it’s
40:41 like by the time you do all that if
40:43 you’re the creative person you’re either
40:44 you’ve either been bought out and
40:46 shunted to the side or you’re dead so
40:49 you don’t get to have the money you you
40:51 produce the value but you can’t monetize
40:53 it it’s a big problem that’s why it’s so
40:56 frustrating to be a creative person
40:58 often you know so I was looking around
41:01 for ways that creative people could
41:03 monetize their production online mostly
41:06 because I’m like far too curious for my
41:09 own good and my wife went off to visit
41:13 her her her father for about a week and
41:17 I had a bunch of time I could stay up
41:20 till 3 in the morning which I shouldn’t
41:22 do and work and I found this site called
41:25 patreon and patreon allowed you know how
41:27 patreon works it allows people to make
41:29 voluntary donations to support creative
41:32 people who are basically usually making
41:34 their work available for free which is I
41:36 thought well that’s pretty interesting
41:37 it’s appealing to the basic human desire
41:40 for reciprocity like people actually
41:42 don’t like getting something for nothing
41:44 it kind of puts them in existential debt
41:47 and so they people generally feel that
41:49 if they’ve received something of value
41:50 that they would like to give something
41:51 of value back now not everyone but most
41:54 people most people and I thought well
41:56 what the hell I’ll set up a patreon
41:58 account and see what happens so it took
42:00 Lea about like 6 hours or something like
42:02 that to figure out how to do it exactly
42:04 and how to make a little what a banner
42:08 on the YouTube videos that was linked to
42:10 the patreon account there was all sorts
42:11 of little weird tricks that you had to
42:13 learn behind the scenes and I thought
42:14 well whatever we’ll see what happens and
42:16 then at the end of that month I had
42:19 about 50-60 subscribers and about $500
42:23 us a month and I thought huh that’s
42:26 pretty interesting you know I don’t know
42:28 what to make of it but I could take that
42:30 money and increase the production
42:31 quality if that keeps happening and and
42:33 I’ll just run this and keep seeing how
42:36 it works
42:36 so ok so that was pretty interesting and
42:40 so I thought through what it meant what
42:43 YouTube meant that it was a Gutenberg
42:45 Revolution
42:46 deserve to be taken seriously and then I
42:48 found this platform for for monetization
42:51 for creative people then the two things
42:53 were married and that was April last
42:56 year and then at the same time I was
42:59 writing a book which is called 12 rules
43:01 for life and some of you may have or
43:03 there’s some Flyers that are going to be
43:05 distributed that tell you about the book
43:07 but in any case I was reading this
43:09 chapter in the book called don’t bother
43:10 children when they’re skateboarding and
43:12 it took me deep into the polarization of
43:15 society because I wasn’t very happy
43:18 about the fact that children are over
43:19 protected and that adventurous children
43:22 like skateboarders for example are often
43:23 shut down when they’re manifesting their
43:26 bravery and their stupidity often but
43:29 that’s not always distinguishable from
43:31 bravery right because you that that’s
43:33 like the trickster figure that Jonathan
43:35 was talking about earlier you know and
43:36 he it’s not always that easy to
43:38 segregate the people who take
43:40 unrealistic unreasonable risks from
43:42 those who are courageously
43:43 extending their competence into the
43:45 unknown and so anyways for reasons I
43:48 won’t tell you about that took me deep
43:50 into the into the political polarization
43:53 landscape with with the you know with
43:55 the increasing tension between the left
43:57 which I think has becoming increasingly
43:59 totalitarian and the right and and also
44:02 with what seems to be something like an
44:04 assault on well Jonathan called it the
44:07 logos which I think is exactly right
44:09 which i think is a reflection of
44:11 Nietzsche’s death of God and an assault
44:13 on masculinity which is often now seen
44:16 as toxic or part of the oppressive
44:18 patriarchal part patriarchy etc etc and
44:22 so this was kind of making my blood boil
44:24 while I was all I was writing this you
44:27 know because he’d get tangled up in that
44:29 and it it’s kind of emotionally
44:31 distressing and I saw the spread of
44:33 these sorts of radical leftist ideas
44:39 through campus and I thought we’d killed
44:41 all that off back in the 1990s you know
44:43 there was a spike of political
44:45 correctness in about 92 and I was in
44:47 Boston at that point and and and it kind
44:50 of got pushed back and it disappeared
44:51 and I thought well that’s good that’s
44:53 gone and then the economy boomed like
44:55 mad in the US and people had other
44:57 things to concern themselves with and
44:59 then all of a sudden
45:00 you know three years ago or so it was
45:01 like wow this is back with a vengeance
45:04 it’s like we ain’t seen nothing yet
45:07 and so that was bothering me and then in
45:10 my clinical practice I had a couple of
45:12 clients who had been bullied into poor
45:14 states of mental health by social
45:16 justice warrior types at three different
45:18 workplaces and they were quite different
45:20 people you know some of them more
45:21 left-leaning some of the more right
45:23 leading but all had the same story as
45:25 they were sensible people and now they
45:27 were required to do things at their
45:29 workplace that they just couldn’t
45:30 tolerate doing you know like sensitivity
45:33 training or unconscious bias training or
45:35 here’s one story god this woman this
45:39 woman that I was working with this is
45:42 the stupidest story I wouldn’t even
45:43 believe it except she showed me all the
45:45 emails she worked at this large
45:47 bureaucracy we’ll leave it at that and
45:50 the the people at the bureaucracy would
45:53 make presentations with those you know
45:55 those boards that you can set up that
45:57 have big pads of paper on them well
45:59 those pads of paper that you can flip
46:01 are called flip charts okay and so but
46:05 somebody got it into their head and this
46:06 was the manager of this of this
46:08 particular client that flip was a racist
46:11 term because apparently you can call
46:14 Filipinos flip I didn’t know that and
46:17 and so flip chart is actually insulting
46:20 to Filipinos and so and so then she
46:23 showed me this string of like 30 emails
46:25 that had gone back and forth within her
46:28 company from the management and a bunch
46:30 of people you know this Jenny the the
46:32 typical suspects were all concerned
46:34 about this and they ended up banning the
46:36 word flipchart and you know she was
46:38 coming to talk to me saying look this is
46:40 actually driving me crazy I can’t
46:43 believe this is that people are spending
46:45 their time doing this and that we’re
46:47 required to ascend to it as if it isn’t
46:50 insane which of course it is it is and
46:53 so then then I got wind of Bill c16 and
47:02 I’d been looking into the Ontario Human
47:04 Rights Commission already at that point
47:06 and I wasn’t very happy with the Ontario
47:09 Human Rights Commission I think they’re
47:11 it’s fascist organization mask
47:14 under the guise of compassion which is
47:16 very very typical and very intelligent
47:19 like if you’re gonna be a power-hungry
47:21 or authoritarian who wants sensorial
47:23 control the best way to allow yourself
47:26 to be able to look at yourself in the
47:28 mirror without screaming is to wear a
47:30 mask of compassion which is exactly what
47:32 I think’s happening and Bill c16 came
47:35 out and it purported to add transgender
47:37 rights to the list of protected rights
47:40 in the Canadian Human Rights Code and in
47:42 the Criminal Code and like it it was one
47:45 of those Trojan horses that Bret
47:47 Weinstein just talked about you read the
47:49 legislation it’s only two paragraphs
47:51 long you think oh yeah Canadians are
47:52 being nice to people who you know are in
47:54 a strange category and get oppressed
47:56 that’s that’s the surface of it but then
47:59 I went back and I read all the either
48:01 because they said on the federal website
48:02 that it would be interpreted in
48:04 accordance with the policies developed
48:06 by the Ontario Human Rights Commission
48:08 so I went read those policies and I
48:09 thought man first of all they were
48:12 completely incoherent they were
48:13 extraordinarily poorly written they were
48:15 philosophically appalling and they
48:18 couldn’t have been designed to get more
48:20 people in trouble if that would have
48:21 been the purpose of the design so for
48:23 example if you’re a business owner
48:24 they’re not they’re not pro capitalists
48:27 let’s put it that way if you’re a
48:28 business owner you are as responsible
48:30 for the utterances of their of your
48:32 employees as if you were uh Turing them
48:35 yourself if the employees utter it’s
48:37 caused offense whether or not they meant
48:40 the offense and whether or not there was
48:42 any offense taken on the part of the
48:43 person that was being offended was like
48:46 my god really that’s really the that’s
48:49 really the rule and that was like one of
48:51 them and thought there was another rule
48:53 in there which was that the Ontario
48:54 Human Rights Commission could suspend
48:56 jurisprudential tradition in pursuit of
49:00 their goals it was like clause 13 a you
49:02 know just 13 a it’s just a little clause
49:04 we can ignore all legal precedent so I
49:08 was reading this and I thought what the
49:09 hell this is absolutely insane and then
49:12 at the same time the university HR
49:15 department and equity right equity
49:17 that’s that’s that’s you hear that word
49:19 you’re someone uh ters that word and you
49:22 know their ideological II possessed so
49:25 you move away from them
49:26 right you move away from them because
49:28 equity is a terrible it’s a terrible
49:30 word it’s one of those words that
49:31 masquerades as compassion it is a
49:33 dreadful terrible word so anyways the HR
49:38 an equity department had decided that
49:41 you know the university was rife with
49:43 systemic racism and that was all
49:45 implicit in our unconscious biases and
49:48 that all the HR and all the staff HR
49:50 staff would have to undergo mandatory
49:53 unconscious bias retraining well then I
49:56 thought okay okay come on really first
50:00 of all you’re using the implicit
50:02 association test right and I can tell
50:04 you a little bit about that test but
50:06 only tell you a little bit to use a test
50:09 to diagnose an individual the test has
50:12 to pass certain standards of a
50:13 reliability which means it measures the
50:15 same thing within the same individual
50:17 the same way across time because it’s
50:20 like otherwise you have a ruler that’s
50:21 made out of rubber it’s not helpful
50:23 right it has to produce the same results
50:26 with repeated administrations and it has
50:28 to predict behavior in a way that’s
50:31 consistent and with some degree of power
50:34 okay well the IIT is not reliable
50:37 not nearly reliable enough to be used as
50:40 a diagnostic instrument and it’s not
50:42 particularly valid it predicts a little
50:45 bit of behavior but not much like a
50:47 fragment of behavior maybe enough to
50:49 even have a significant effect from from
50:51 time to time but it’s a small fraction
50:53 like so your unconscious biases which
50:56 are actually indistinguishable from your
50:58 perceptions or maybe even your in-group
51:01 favoritism and people are characterized
51:03 by in-group favoritism which is why we
51:04 like our families and it’s not easily
51:07 distinguishable from your from your
51:09 reaction to novelty as well because your
51:11 your implicit racial prejudice under
51:13 some conditions is indistinguishable
51:15 from your preference for familiarity
51:17 over novelty so like the likely the
51:20 psychological community is by no means
51:22 United on what the implicit association
51:25 test means by no means and it has plenty
51:27 of severe critics and even the people
51:31 who have produced it admit that it
51:33 shouldn’t be used for diagnostic
51:34 purposes wink wink wink so and then
51:38 there is no evidence whatsoever that
51:39 unconscious
51:40 bias retraining especially if it’s
51:42 mandatory first of all reduces
51:44 unconscious bias which you can’t measure
51:46 very well anyways or has any positive
51:48 effect on explicit behavior and so I
51:51 thought the the attempt by the HR
51:53 department to make that mandatory was an
51:56 unwarranted intrusion on the civil
51:58 rights of the employees using
51:59 pseudoscience as a mask and so I was
52:02 thinking about these things at like 2:00
52:04 in the morning and I thought well I
52:06 can’t sleep and and I learned when I
52:09 can’t sleep to go right and this time I
52:12 thought no I’m not gonna write this down
52:13 I’m gonna make youtube videos instead
52:14 see what happens yeah so I sat in front
52:24 of my computer and I made these like low
52:26 quality videos and the content was
52:29 pretty good I laid out why I was
52:30 irritated about Bill c16 and talked
52:32 about the background you know context of
52:36 the legislation and and then I made
52:38 another one telling the HR department at
52:41 the University that what they were doing
52:42 was completely unwarranted and that they
52:44 had no business doing it whatsoever and
52:46 that they should stop and so then I
52:48 released the videos and I thought then I
52:52 went to sleep and you know the reason I
52:55 made the videos was because I wanted to
52:57 think these things through right so so
53:00 like I’m doing on stage right now I’m
53:02 thinking things through it’s like
53:04 something was bothering me and so I was
53:06 trying to lay out the arguments and
53:08 trying to figure out why it bothered me
53:09 and to put a logical you know to arrange
53:12 it in a logical manner and to try to
53:14 communicate it and you do that partly
53:15 because you think well this is bugging
53:17 me and here’s what I think it is is like
53:19 is it bugging you too and how about you
53:21 and if it isn’t bugging any of you well
53:23 then I’m probably crazy but if it’s
53:25 bugging all of you to then you know
53:27 maybe there’s something here and so
53:29 that’s why you have to be able to speak
53:31 freely right because you have to be able
53:33 to bumble around with your thought and
53:34 formulate things and then see how other
53:37 people respond to it and they’ll
53:38 criticize you or maybe agree with you
53:40 and you get to modify what you’re
53:41 thinking and so and plus I was
53:44 experimenting like I often do I was
53:46 experimenting with youtubes like well
53:48 let’s see what happens well that was
53:52 quite something
53:58 well the first thing that happened was
54:00 there was a big demonstration like an
54:03 anti peterson demonstration so I’ve had
54:06 my own demonstration and that was in
54:09 front of the building I worked at and
54:10 not too many people came but they were
54:12 people the people who came were calling
54:14 me the sorts of names that Eric was
54:16 called or the Bret was called you know I
54:19 was a bigot in a trance phob and a
54:20 racist oh I was a racist because the HR
54:24 department at the University had taken
54:26 advice from black lives matter in
54:28 formulating these policies and black
54:30 lives matter in new Toronto was led or
54:33 established by two women who I thought
54:36 were reprehensible and had nothing to do
54:38 with their race like I don’t care who
54:40 you are you can be reprehensible and
54:42 they were reprehensible in my estimation
54:44 and there was plenty of documented
54:46 evidence for that and so I said well why
54:48 the hell are we taking advice on our HR
54:50 policies from from these people it’s
54:53 like when did that become acceptable and
54:55 so that’s why I was a racist so and and
54:59 and so you know all of these accusations
55:01 were thrown at me and I thought about
55:04 that a lot in the last year it’s like
55:05 what was that reasonable and it’s
55:07 actually kind of reasonable in a weird
55:10 way because Canada is a stable country
55:13 and has been for a long time it’s pretty
55:15 peaceful and things work pretty well and
55:16 so if you pop your head up and say
55:18 something stupid and reprehensible is
55:21 going on the Canadians say no this is
55:23 Canada you’re crazy and which is the
55:27 right response right and so then they
55:28 throw a bunch of things at you that
55:30 might match the kind of crazy you are
55:32 and if one of them sticks then well then
55:36 they can ignore you and and you know I’m
55:38 obviously being a bit facetious and it’s
55:40 not like the people who were doing this
55:42 to me didn’t know exactly why they were
55:43 doing it and it isn’t like they were
55:45 we’re trying to bring me down and
55:46 destroy me because they certainly were
55:48 and then 200 faculty members and
55:53 graduate students and the like from the
55:55 disciplines that you’d expect wrote a
55:58 petition saying that I had made the
55:59 university an unsafe place and and then
56:04 there was a counter-demonstration
56:05 that
56:06 the these students who decided to
56:08 support free speech setup and they asked
56:10 me to speak and Lauren Southern to speak
56:12 and a couple of other people and they
56:14 had an open mic session so that anyone
56:16 could speak and it was out in front of
56:18 the same building and there was quite a
56:20 few people at doubt there was about 200
56:21 people and and I went out there and then
56:24 there was some bad guys there you know
56:27 there were just your typical students
56:29 who were confused and squawking away and
56:31 chanting but peppered among them were
56:33 the types of people who were seriously
56:36 looking for trouble
56:37 and I can I’m a clinical psychologist
56:38 I’ve worked with all sorts of people I
56:40 can identify people like that they’re
56:42 not very common thank God but there were
56:45 plenty of them at that rally and they it
56:48 could have been any kind of rally where
56:50 the possibility for trouble was emerging
56:53 and they would have been the type that
56:54 was going to be there so I was keeping
56:56 my eye on them and they were blasting
56:58 white noise and they were unplugging our
57:00 PA systems and and stealing the mic and
57:03 and you know just behaving in a manner
57:06 that should have been shut down by the
57:08 university authorities but wasn’t but
57:10 the university authorities were taken
57:12 off guard by all of this and they didn’t
57:13 really know what to do and they weren’t
57:15 really unaware of the underlying legal
57:17 transformations that were going on in
57:19 our society and anyways they unplugged
57:22 the mic and so then I talked very loudly
57:25 about the necessity for free speech and
57:29 that was recorded and went online and
57:31 then I left and I came back about two
57:35 hours later to talk to the cops and to
57:38 see if anything I didn’t was hoping that
57:40 nothing you know of any significance no
57:43 one was hurt so I wanted to go talk to
57:45 the cops and see if it all went okay and
57:47 I went talk to them and then when I came
57:49 back this group of trans activist
57:54 protesters who claimed to be speaking
57:58 for the trans community which doesn’t
58:00 exist there is no trans community
58:02 they’re not a homogenous group they
58:03 don’t all think the same way and besides
58:06 you don’t become the spokesman for a
58:08 person by claiming that you’re the
58:10 spokesman just because you happen to
58:11 share some of the attributes of that
58:13 group but we’re so guilty about the
58:16 treatment of our minorities that we’re
58:18 willing to regard anyone who
58:20 plays that particular card as worthy of
58:22 listening to and that’s a big mistake
58:24 because you know there’s valid
58:26 representation and invalid
58:27 representation anyways they surrounded
58:30 me and videotaped the exchange and was
58:32 one particularly noisy person there who
58:34 was quite dismissive and insulting and I
58:37 tried to have a conversation and the
58:40 first thing this person said was that
58:42 Peterson what do you think about the
58:44 Nazis that were at your rally and I
58:47 thought you know you have to really look
58:51 hard in Canada to find a Nazi they’re
58:53 just just aren’t that many of them you
58:55 know so so I thought it was preposterous
58:58 to begin with and I said well I don’t
59:02 know what do you want me to say it’s
59:04 like welcome Nazis it’s no it’s like I
59:07 said I don’t like Nazis you know and and
59:09 she said well what about you know the
59:12 fact that they were here and I said well
59:15 I can’t control who happens to appear
59:18 somewhere and it was old it was all
59:22 false none of that was true at all it
59:24 wasn’t even a little bit true but you
59:27 know it’s an easy weapon to to haul out
59:29 and so they she he no I’m not being
59:37 smart about that it was like this was a
59:39 trans person and I don’t know exactly I
59:42 couldn’t figure out how to refer to
59:44 we’ll say her and I got health without –
59:47 and I tried to have a conversation and
59:51 it was just she was just blaring
59:53 non-stop ideological like nonsense at me
59:57 you know and just it just hurt because I
60:00 like to talk to people you know but I
60:01 really do not like having ideological
60:03 slogans blared at me I did really I find
60:06 it I find it I don’t know what exactly
60:11 how how I find it but it’s like it’s
60:16 like it’s like really loud white noise
60:18 it’s something like that or maybe it’s
60:19 worse than that’s like static it’s like
60:21 really loud static it’s jagged and I you
60:26 know like quit that it’s like I can’t
60:29 I’d like to talk to you but I can’t
60:30 tolerate that you know what
60:33 slogan means slogan is derived from two
60:37 Welsh words slew egg and garam and it
60:41 means battle cry of the Dead so that’s
60:46 really we’re thinking about man the next
60:48 time you want to like have a slogan on
60:50 your t-shirts just remember who you’re
60:52 standing for it’s like you’re the
60:53 skeletal army of zombies come to life
60:56 man and they’re possessing you right
60:58 it’s their words you’re mouthing it’s
61:01 nothing alive and it’s not something
61:03 that likes life it’s a horror show
61:05 that’s what a slogan is anyways they
61:09 videotaped all this and they’re gonna
61:10 put it online to show what a
61:12 reprehensible creature I was so they did
61:14 and that didn’t work out things being
61:18 viewed about three and a half million
61:19 times now and the positive comments
61:22 outnumber the negative comments like
61:24 ninety nine to one something like that
61:26 and so that was an interesting case of
61:29 that inversion that Jonathan was talking
61:31 about you know how everything’s
61:32 upside-down and so they tried one tactic
61:36 and it just flipped on them completely
61:37 and so yeah but but here’s here’s
61:40 something to think about like if one
61:43 person who is nominally supporting me at
61:46 that rally would have done anything
61:48 stupid whatsoever that was captured on
61:51 videotape I would have been sunk right
61:55 and so we’re in this situation where the
61:57 actions of specific individuals have a
62:00 determining effect far beyond what we’re
62:02 accustomed to you saw that in
62:04 charlottesville where that guy ran
62:05 somebody over with a car and it was like
62:07 political polarization in the u.s.
62:09 increased instantly by 10 percent right
62:12 and and that’s part of the I said like
62:14 social media isn’t an echo chamber it’s
62:16 an amplifier and so well so I was very
62:20 fortunate and then this person also said
62:24 that she had watched all my youtube
62:25 videos and I looked at her because that
62:28 was ridiculous because there was like
62:30 200 of them online by that point like
62:32 you some people I presume have now
62:35 watched all 200 of them but it’s like
62:38 500 hours of content so I knew that that
62:40 was complete rubbish and I’m basically
62:44 said as much
62:46 and anyways it went well for me and it
62:48 didn’t go so well for the protesters and
62:50 then the University and so that was my
62:52 first encounter with YouTube and its
62:55 tendency to amplify and and also what
63:00 the tight rope line is when these sorts
63:02 of things happen you know and for a
63:05 whole year it’s not quite so bad now
63:07 although it’s just about as bad I lived
63:08 an absolute terror of ever of two things
63:11 ever saying the wrong thing even if it
63:14 was clipped out of context right or
63:16 having something on earth that I said
63:19 before that was the wrong thing even if
63:22 it was taken out of context now luckily
63:24 and this was kind of unique I already
63:26 had two hundred and sixty videos two
63:28 hundred videos up and so when I was
63:30 being accused of all these things I
63:32 could say well you know have had her
63:35 there’s five hundred I’ve said to
63:37 students in the last 20 years has been
63:39 recorded if you want to find some Nazi
63:42 propaganda it’s like have a doorman good
63:45 luck to you and of course it was not
63:47 only false it was it was antithetical to
63:49 the truth because I’ve been teaching
63:51 people about Nazi atrocities for thirty
63:55 years and trying to help people
63:57 understand how it was that it would be
64:00 likely had they been in Nazi Germany
64:02 that they would have been on the side of
64:03 the Nazis and not on the side of the
64:05 Jews you wouldn’t have been the hero you
64:07 would have been the perpetrator
64:08 statistically speaking and that you
64:10 really need to understand that so I was
64:13 fortunate I was protected by that
64:14 backlog of information and so that was
64:16 really good and then the University did
64:19 it another thing that reversed
64:21 you know they wrote me a letter saying
64:23 you know all these people are
64:24 complaining you’re making the campus an
64:27 unsafe place you have to and you might
64:30 be violating our code of conduct and the
64:33 law and I thought I didn’t know what to
64:35 make of that letter I told them to take
64:37 the letter back because I said look if
64:40 you’re gonna go after me cuz I actually
64:42 like the University of Toronto so if
64:43 you’re gonna go after me you should go
64:45 after me correctly and this this
64:47 document is actually untrue in that it
64:50 contains sins of omission because you
64:52 may have got letters from the staff
64:54 saying what a reprehensible person I was
64:56 but you also got 15,000
64:59 signatures on a petition and hundreds of
65:01 letters from people supporting me and
65:03 you didn’t say anything about that in
65:04 the letter so how about we you know you
65:07 write a letter that says well some
65:09 people aren’t very happy with you and
65:11 other people are but we’ve decided that
65:13 what you’re doing is too risky and you
65:14 know you should stop but they wouldn’t
65:16 take it back so I read it online and
65:19 that’s what’s interesting too because
65:20 now if something happens to you it
65:24 doesn’t have to be secret I didn’t even
65:26 comment on it except maybe with raised
65:28 eyebrows from time to time I just read
65:30 it and say you draw your own damn
65:32 conclusions here and so and I was
65:34 actually I wouldn’t say secretly happy
65:37 about it because I wasn’t because my job
65:38 was at risk and and that wasn’t all that
65:40 was at risk but my job certainly was but
65:42 I had said when I made the video
65:46 criticizing Bill c16 that the act of
65:48 making the video was probably illegal
65:51 and then the university came out and
65:53 said what you’re doing is probably
65:55 illegal
65:55 and so my claims which the press the
66:00 press was very divided about this and
66:01 they thought well maybe I was being too
66:02 radical in my claims but then the
66:04 university came out and said well you’re
66:06 probably violating the law and you
66:07 should shut up and I said huh I told you
66:10 that that’s how this law was constructed
66:12 and so and then they did it again but
66:17 and I know how HR departments works it’s
66:19 like one letters like shut the hell up
66:20 second letter is we told you once
66:23 already to shut up
66:24 third letter says we told you twice you
66:26 didn’t so like now you’re in trouble and
66:28 then the fourth letter is see you later
66:31 and if you’re a tenured faculty member
66:33 and you break the law that’s sufficient
66:36 to be not a tenured faculty member so
66:39 they were gearing up to do this and well
66:43 then well to say that well man that was
66:47 really something then what happened was
66:49 there were reporters at our house for
66:51 flight for months lined up just all the
66:55 time literally eight hours a day
66:58 the reporters coming in and reporters
66:59 going out there’s about 250 newspaper
67:02 articles published in Canada about this
67:04 over about a two and a half month period
67:05 and that didn’t count the podcasts and
67:07 the radio shows and the TV coverage and
67:09 like it just it went absolutely
67:12 it was absolutely insane I’ve never seen
67:16 anything like it and see I was trying to
67:19 figure out what was going on at that
67:20 point because my sense when I made the
67:22 videos was this had nothing to do with
67:24 transgender rights this is indicative of
67:26 a deep war of ideas and this is just the
67:29 latest manifestation of that deep war of
67:31 ideas maybe it was a war in a
67:33 philosophical level or even a war at a
67:35 theological level which I actually think
67:37 it’s such a deep war that it is award a
67:39 theological level and that was sort of
67:42 the level at which I was going after it
67:44 and I believe that subsequent events
67:48 demonstrated that that was the case
67:50 because what should have happened I
67:51 always think of counterfactuals you know
67:53 if a client comes into my office and the
67:56 first time I see them and they’re all
67:57 upset because they couldn’t find a place
68:00 to park and they’re late and they’re all
68:01 apologetic and I think okay well now I
68:03 know something about you because you
68:05 could have come in here and said why the
68:06 hell didn’t you tell me where the
68:08 parking was I’m late or E or you could
68:10 have said thought to yourself well this
68:12 is my time anyway so I don’t have to
68:13 apologize so you run these
68:15 counterfactuals it helps you understand
68:17 the world better and I thought well what
68:21 should happen was that you know I made
68:24 these videos to in the morning to
68:26 fifteen minutes long there’s a little
68:28 flurry of interest and then it’s like on
68:30 to the next thing but that is not what
68:32 happened that didn’t happen even a
68:34 little bit what happened was so opposite
68:37 from that that I
68:38 I still don’t know what to make of it
68:39 and of course this is part of it the
68:41 fact that I’m here talking to all of you
68:42 people and and so and then what happened
68:49 was that the press flipped and came on
68:52 my side so 200 Canadian newspapers
68:55 there’s a consortium came out and said
68:57 well we support Peterson and then a huge
69:00 number of mainstream journalists like
69:02 that the powerful independent mainstream
69:04 journalists Barbra Kay Antonella
69:09 Vanilla’s last name can ever remember
69:11 names so embarrassing Margaret went a–
69:14 Conrad black at crazy Newfie he goes on
69:18 CBC at night what’s his name Rex Murphy
69:22 yeah they all came out on on my side
69:25 because
69:25 what they did they did the journalistic
69:27 homework and they went and read the
69:29 things I read and they found out that if
69:31 anything I was understating the
69:34 catastrophe that was written into the
69:36 Ontario Human Rights Commission website
69:39 so for example one of the catastrophes
69:41 was they wrote in a social
69:43 constructionist view of gender identity
69:46 that’s law in Canada now and like it’s
69:49 hard to say exactly how significant that
69:51 is if you don’t know what it means is
69:55 maybe is that to have a view that
69:58 biology is the primary determinant of
70:01 gender identity is now illegal now I
70:04 don’t know that for sure and you can say
70:06 well maybe that’s alarmist but hey I
70:09 know how ideas unfold across time you
70:12 know you have an idea you put it in the
70:14 law the law is a living thing it’s got
70:17 lots of tentacles nobody knows how it
70:18 unfolds you throw something new in there
70:20 you don’t even know what it is you’re
70:21 throwing in you throw a demand that a
70:24 social constructionist view of gender
70:26 identity is now legally true so what do
70:28 you do with all the evolutionary
70:29 biologists like like Brett who say no
70:34 that’s wrong it’s partly socially
70:37 constructed like everything is among
70:39 human beings and so anyways the
70:40 journalist went and wrote read that and
70:42 they thought oh well this guy first of
70:46 all isn’t any of those things that he’s
70:48 been accused of one of the funniest days
70:50 of my life was I went to this lecture
70:53 where I was being accused of like being
70:56 a racist and the transfer band a bigot
70:58 and all of these things and the same day
71:00 literally the same day there were 30
71:02 people in my house on the third floor
71:04 and about 15 of them were from this
71:07 native tribe quak quak a walk they live
71:10 on northern tip of northern Vancouver
71:12 and I’d established a relationship with
71:14 a carver there named Charles Joseph who
71:16 recently had a huge totem pole erected
71:18 in front of the Montreal Museum of Fine
71:19 Art I’d established a working
71:21 relationship with him he was a
71:22 residential school survivor and I’d been
71:25 buying a bunch of his art and I built a
71:26 replica a modern replica of a Quaqua big
71:30 house on my third floor with his help
71:32 and filled it with totem poles and all
71:33 these things he brought a bunch of his
71:35 people to the to Toronto and had the
71:37 induction ceremony and I was inducted
71:39 to their tribe and that was the same day
71:41 it was like what do you make of that
71:44 it’s it’s such it was so surreal you
71:47 know to go from one of those worlds to
71:49 the other and and I had many surreal
71:51 days like that anyways then I had this
71:56 debate at the University which the
71:58 university graciously decided to host
72:00 and I talked a lot to the Dean and we
72:02 kind of came to some terms and they
72:04 basically decided that they would leave
72:07 me alone and I had a terrible
72:09 catastrophe of Health in December I just
72:12 it was absolutely unbearable I don’t
72:14 exactly know what happened but I could
72:16 barely get it get going to teach in
72:18 January I was very shaky for for like
72:21 two months but I but I it it went
72:25 forward and and the students were very
72:26 welcoming and inviting so that was very
72:28 good but then all of this crazy
72:31 background media explosion didn’t quit
72:35 at all it just kept snowballing and
72:37 snowballing and snowballing and you know
72:39 and then I was talking to people GAD sod
72:41 was one of the early people who
72:43 interviewed me you know and I’m gonna be
72:45 speaking with him at November eleventh
72:47 in Toronto and I’m actually quite afraid
72:48 of that because I think the radicals who
72:51 shut us down at Ryerson I know full well
72:53 they’re planning to come out in full
72:55 number and I really don’t I’m really
72:57 concerned about that and if you know
72:59 anybody who’s going and who’s
73:00 purportedly supporters let’s say of what
73:03 we’re doing I really would like you to
73:05 encourage them to like keep the keep
73:09 themselves in control it’s like I know
73:13 there might be agent provocateurs in the
73:15 crowd because these people are certain
73:17 and capable of that but I don’t want
73:19 anything stupid to happen now we’re not
73:21 gonna cancel it because because we’re
73:23 not cancelling it and that’s that but I
73:26 don’t want anything stupid to happen it
73:28 would be better if it didn’t so anyways
73:32 I talked to God sod and then a whole
73:34 bunch of other youtubers and then I got
73:36 to be aware of this whole YouTube
73:38 universe that you know that that
73:41 Jonathan was talking about and that’s
73:43 been an unbelievably bizarre experience
73:45 because it is the case that there’s
73:48 nothing really uniting us in some sense
73:50 we’re very different people like I’m
73:51 very different than
73:53 then Jill Rogan for example and I was on
73:55 this show called h3h3 the other day and
73:58 he’s this crazy Israeli clown comedian
74:01 you know and and Dave Rubens and a
74:04 married gay guy and you know and well in
74:09 God’s out is a Lebanese refugee
74:11 basically if there’s nothing about us
74:13 that’s the same except something is
74:16 uniting us and we all kind of know about
74:18 each other now and we’re all
74:19 communicating and and I don’t know what
74:22 that means exactly I don’t know what
74:25 that means and then at the same time so
74:29 that’s all being extremely strange this
74:31 multiplication of voice that the
74:35 internet provides you know for better or
74:37 for worse and I think that is what it is
74:38 it’s a it’s a moral amplifier and I also
74:42 think that these AI systems that we’re
74:44 building our moral amplifiers and and
74:47 they’re they’re gonna be moral
74:48 amplifiers to a degree that we can’t
74:50 even imagine even knowing how much
74:53 Facebook and Twitter and so forth our
74:56 moral amplifiers so we bloody well
74:57 better be careful because we’re building
74:59 super intelligent machines and they’re
75:01 going to be patterned on us so so we
75:07 have to watch our step and that’s
75:10 basically what I’ve been telling people
75:11 you know because I’ve been trying not to
75:14 be political about this in some sense I
75:17 think it’s a degeneration because I’m
75:20 more philosophically minded and it’s
75:22 when things become political around me
75:25 it’s like I’m at the wrong level of
75:26 analysis I’m not facing things properly
75:29 but I’ve also found that and this has
75:32 been a strange thing to see I’ve been
75:36 talking to people about responsibility
75:38 and truth and the and religious topics
75:40 as well now for really intensely for the
75:43 last year really for my whole career but
75:44 really intensely for the last year and
75:46 one of the things that’s strange and
75:48 this is another way the world is
75:49 upside-down is that after being fed a
75:52 non-stop diet of freedom and rights for
75:54 60 years people are starving to death
75:57 for a diet of constraint and
76:01 responsibility and who the hell would
76:03 have ever thought that was saleable you
76:04 know and I have people coming up to me
76:06 all
76:06 the Timelords it already happened many
76:07 times today they say well you know
76:09 you’ve talked about responsibility I’ve
76:11 been listening to your YouTube videos
76:12 it’s really straightened out my life I
76:14 now have a purpose I’m not nihilistic
76:16 and when I talk to people about
76:19 responsibility and rights especially
76:21 young men in my audiences are mostly
76:24 young men man you can hear a pin drop
76:26 you think well what’s going on there
76:28 that’s so weird it’s like it’s this it’s
76:31 this crazy inversion it’s the least
76:34 saleable thing possible has become the
76:37 thing that’s most in demand say like
76:39 have a hard life do something difficult
76:41 get yourself get your act together quit
76:44 blaming other people assume that you’re
76:46 the problem start small with like non
76:48 heroic activities don’t broadcast it in
76:51 public right pick up something heavy and
76:54 assume that you’re contributing in some
76:56 important manner to the destiny of the
76:58 world and like let your soul quake when
77:01 you understand what that means and
77:02 everybody’s thinking yes that’s exactly
77:04 what I want to hear it’s exactly what
77:05 it’s like what the hell
77:15 you know and then there’s these biblical
77:17 lectures and I thought I thought this is
77:19 another upside down thing I thought okay
77:21 as I put business plans together before
77:24 and you know I know how you evaluate a
77:26 business plan so here’s the business
77:27 plan I’m gonna lay out $60,000 to rent a
77:31 theater for 12 weeks and I’m going to
77:34 deliver a series of lectures on the
77:35 Bible and that’s a profit generating
77:39 enterprise do you want to invest it’s
77:42 like you know get this guy needs
77:45 anti-psychotic medication and he needs
77:47 it quickly and so so I thought well I’m
77:52 doing this because I want to walk
77:53 through these stories and the reason I
77:56 want to walk through these stories is
77:57 because they’re foundational stories I
77:59 understand that they’re they’re are
78:01 foundational stories for better or for
78:03 worse and we can’t get rid of them
78:05 without getting rid of the foundation
78:07 and that’s a bad idea
78:09 so at least we better understand them
78:11 before we dispense with them you know
78:13 and that goes for me too and so I
78:15 started doing that and they’re
78:17 ridiculously popular like they always
78:19 sell out that the audience is dead
78:21 silent when and and the the atmosphere
78:24 of the room is really really positive
78:27 not that namby-pamby you know wretched
78:30 harmless way but in the sort of charged
78:33 energy looking for a good thing to do
78:35 way and the questions are really
78:37 intelligent and so and and deep – and so
78:40 that’s really cool and then you know I
78:41 release them on the net and the most
78:43 popular video I have ever made is an
78:45 introduction to the idea of God which is
78:47 the intro to this biblical series and
78:50 it’s got like eight hundred and fifty
78:51 thousand views and and then I get all
78:53 these like Jonathan said he’s got all
78:55 these atheists supporting him he’s a
78:56 bloody Orthodox icon car Virts what the
78:59 hell’s up with that and like a
79:02 tremendous number of the people who are
79:04 writing me uncommon on YouTube are also
79:06 atheists they’re saying well you know
79:08 I’m an atheist committed atheist and but
79:10 I’ve been really interested in what
79:12 you’ve been saying about these religious
79:13 stories and so that’s another indication
79:15 of the fact that everything is upside
79:17 down and so and I’m gonna keep making
79:21 those biblical videos because I’ve been
79:23 trying to sort through my priorities and
79:25 I don’t know what my priorities are
79:26 because my life is completely
79:28 surreal like it’s like I’m in a it’s
79:32 like I stepped into a parallel universe
79:33 you know and so I’ve been trying to
79:38 figure out what should I be doing and
79:39 one thing I do know is that I’m going to
79:41 continue with those biblical lectures
79:43 because I think they might be the most
79:44 significant thing that I’m doing okay
79:48 and then I’ll just close and say well
79:49 you know with my colleagues I’ve also
79:52 been working on these programs that help
79:54 people get their lives together like the
79:56 self authoring suite for example which
79:58 some of you might be familiar with and
80:00 of course one of the things that’s been
80:01 a consequence and we’ve done research on
80:04 especially the future authoring program
80:05 really helps people you know if you give
80:07 it to university students especially the
80:09 ones that don’t know what they’re doing
80:10 and are kind of alienated they’re way
80:12 more likely to stay in university and
80:14 they get much better grades so that’s
80:16 really cool and so the the internet
80:19 these new communication channels has
80:21 also made it possible to deliver
80:23 reasonably high quality psychological
80:25 interventions that are devoted to
80:27 helping people improve their lives and
80:29 straightening themselves out at
80:30 extremely low cost or extraordinarily
80:32 widely and so now thousands and tens of
80:35 thousands of people have done those
80:37 programs now and so I get letters all
80:39 the time from people saying this has
80:41 really helped me and you know I was on
80:42 the verge of suicide and this brought me
80:44 back from the brink and like it’s really
80:45 nice to get letters like that you know
80:47 and here’s something else that’s
80:49 interesting you know people have been
80:52 assuming that I’ve been deluge by hate
80:54 mail you know so they’re feeling kind of
80:56 sorry for me and like I’ve like had five
80:59 pieces of hate mail in the last year and
81:02 that’s it so like I don’t understand
81:05 that it’s I don’t know what it is maybe
81:07 the SJW types don’t have the energy to
81:09 pen a hate letter although they
81:10 certainly seem to but for some reason
81:13 although they’ll come out in protest
81:15 like they did it McMaster they are
81:17 they’re not they’re not really directly
81:21 going after me with those sorts of
81:24 channels of communication someone
81:26 spectacularly reprehensible just
81:28 littered my neighborhood I actually know
81:30 who it is littered my neighborhood with
81:33 community safety warnings you know
81:35 claiming that I was well you know the
81:37 general Satan himself in various
81:40 manifestations
81:41 essentially and one of the things that
81:43 was so funny if you find these sorts of
81:45 things funny is that they have this
81:46 picture of me that’s the background of
81:48 the poster like I’m looking really
81:50 aggressive a yelling like like really
81:53 like I’m gonna bite a child and so
81:54 that’s the that’s that’s the community
81:57 safety warning rights look out for this
81:59 man and here’s here’s the way they play
82:03 fast and loose with the truth so that
82:05 picture was from that free speech rally
82:07 I told you about and the reason that I’m
82:09 yelling is because the same people
82:12 because I know who did it the same
82:14 people were the ones who took the
82:16 microphone in the PA system and so the
82:18 only way I could communicate with the
82:20 crowd was to yell and so I looked kind
82:22 of aggressive and I was kind of
82:23 irritated a it’s like what the hell
82:26 white noise you’re blasting me with
82:27 white noise and you’re taking the amps
82:29 and no one’s doing anything about it
82:30 it’s like I’m not gonna stop talking
82:32 because you’re because of your dopey
82:34 tricks and so I was you know reasonably
82:37 fired up and and I had to talk really
82:39 loudly because there was white noise
82:41 blaring and so that’s the picture that
82:43 they used to show the demonic side of
82:46 Jordan Peterson and that’s such a lie
82:48 hey that’s the lies embedded right in
82:50 the poster it’s like the only thing you
82:52 could find that would make me look
82:54 reprehensible is an action that I took
82:56 as a direct consequence of your
82:57 misbehavior in a public forum but they
83:00 don’t care they don’t care or maybe they
83:03 do care and maybe they’re happy that at
83:05 the base of the poster is a is there an
83:07 extraordinarily deceptive falsehood you
83:10 know they’re happy about that
83:12 so all right so let’s sum up you know
83:19 I’m not gonna make a case for the
83:20 antipathy of the old media to the new
83:22 media because I’ve actually been treated
83:24 pretty well by the old media and I can
83:26 tell you that the Canadian journalists
83:28 the ones that you respect are very much
83:31 afraid for their personal safety for
83:35 their reputation and for their
83:37 livelihood and so they’re actually quite
83:39 brave Margaret went is a good example of
83:42 that but so are the other people that I
83:44 listed Christie Blachford is another one
83:46 and it’s and it’s an Antonella I still
83:50 didn’t get it
83:52 anyways so it’s not like they’re
83:55 high-and-mighty people who have a
83:57 tremendous amount of power who are like
83:59 misusing their status that they’re not
84:01 there they’re walking on eggshells all
84:03 those media empires are crumbling
84:07 crumbling like mad The Globe and Mail is
84:09 crumbling CBC is crumbling they can’t
84:11 get anybody to watch any of their stuff
84:13 online because they don’t understand the
84:15 the the the ethos but like I don’t see
84:21 it as a polarization exactly between the
84:24 old media and the new media I just see
84:26 it as we’re in the brave new world of
84:28 instantaneous permanent verbal
84:31 communication and no one has any idea
84:33 what that means
84:35 and so it’s producing all these strange
84:37 phenomena like these new YouTube stars
84:39 that have really come out of nowhere and
84:41 and and people are attracted to them
84:45 because of the rawness and their and
84:47 their unedited quality you know when Joe
84:49 Rogan posts hosts posts a video it’s
84:51 every bit of it’s posted so you you get
84:54 to make up your own mind about what
84:55 you’re going to conclude and so that
84:58 seems to be a really good thing so maybe
84:59 that means that free speech is alive and
85:01 well you know and maybe it’s even
85:03 flourishing who knows so I can’t draw
85:08 any real conclusions about where we’re
85:11 at with regards to media except the one
85:14 I started with which which is and it’s
85:17 sort of related to this message of
85:18 personal responsibility which is your
85:22 voice is amplified far beyond what it
85:24 ever has been in the past and for every
85:25 single one of us and it can get
85:28 amplified if you’re not careful it can
85:29 get amplified way more than you’d ever
85:31 hope or suspect like you know if you
85:34 make the wrong mistake in your life at
85:36 some point you could be the next viral
85:38 video you know and that’s pretty
85:41 terrifying thought and it’s no wonder
85:43 people are anxious about all of that but
85:45 I do think it amplifies your effect on
85:47 the world and so it’s all the more
85:49 reason to get your act together and to
85:51 be careful with what you say and be
85:52 careful with what you do because now
85:55 we’re at a point in history where the
85:57 fact that you’re intimately connected
85:59 with the rest of mankind let’s say
86:01 present and future is manifest almost
86:05 instantaneous
86:05 and we need to take that seriously and
86:08 hopefully we can take it seriously
86:10 enough so that we ramp the polarization
86:13 back you know and figure out how to
86:16 communicate with one another and put
86:18 things straight again at a deep level so
86:20 that we can move towards a positive
86:22 future because we could have one you
86:23 know like things are shaky and chaotic
86:26 right now and strange and surreal on
86:28 multiple dimensions but we’re also on
86:31 the cusp of a technological revolution
86:32 the likes of which no one can even
86:34 conceive and maybe things could become
86:37 incredibly much better if we’re if we
86:40 walk carefully and think carefully and
86:42 orient ourselves properly and and and so
86:46 that’s what I hope that we all do and
86:48 that’s what I’m trying to promote when I
86:49 do my videos and all of that so and that
86:53 seems to people seem to find that useful
86:55 and they actually seem to be doing it
86:57 and I think that’s better than engaging
86:59 in the polarized wars and trying to be
87:01 right and win the arguments and all of
87:02 that because I just don’t think that
87:04 that’s gonna work so so be careful and
87:09 be awake and pay attention to what you
87:12 say and clean up your rooms and that’s
87:16 good enough thank you
87:18 [Applause]
87:30


Reader Comments

  1. I'm 77 and will soon be dead from prostate cancer. Jordan Peterson and other truth seekers give me some hope that Western/World civilization can be saved from the anti-rational and anti-evidence based ideology/religion of the radical Left.

  2. I am a Filipino and I am not offended by the word "flip"… nor did i ever associate " flip" with me as Filipino. I hope that manager is not a "Filipino" otherwise… he/she has serious identity problem.

  3. My ears perked up at "Welsh" but Wiktionary says 'slogan' is from Scottish Gaelic (see https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/slogan#Etymology )

  4. @21:30 I fear many sleepless nights to come. Dr. Jordan Peterson spins rabbit holes like a spider spins its webs. Thank you for this. *EDITED to add Dr.

  5. Well, we could always hit the silicone valley with a guided missile. If they get too out of control.no?MMNnn?

  6. If there is one truth out there, its that……what goes around , comes around. There is no possibility of going back into the " Closet" for the lunatics that brought themselves out as…….transgenders with a cause. They are mentally ill people who have gotten away with making demands of being legitimized, and a very small segment of society gave them validity. It won't last. Most of humanity know there are only two genders. We do not have the ability to change our biology of gender. Hermorphidites are an error in coding during formative processes in pregnancy. They are not transgender. They can be surgically adapted to the predominate gender… in most cases. All the rest will have to deal with their own demons of their sexual identity, because no one else can, or will take those demons away for them. Not any law, or PC movement. Gays aren't looking for "rights". they are looking for redemption in social validation. They want you to believe their delusions and justify their insanity for them.

  7. Evanescent. This man is prophetic in his truthful speech, gives me inspiration to be the best version of my self I can be. His book is outstanding. Makes me strive to Be the best node possible, and if it spreads like wild fire, so be it.

  8. Perhaps instead of your values being a reflection of your future self trying to manifest itself in the present, your values are a reflection of your past self (before birth) trying to manifest itself in the present.

  9. Sobering thought, like Germans in WWII anyone capable of being part of terrible mob, malevolent, it's what Bible also warns us, which spirit do we be led by? Proverbs also advises us to seek wisdom, a great treasure in life.

  10. Patrick, I'm near 70 and people like Jordan Peterson are renewing my hope for the West, too. Peace brother.

  11. Should change the title of this video to "how social media has affected me" and the video thumbnail to "my social media experience". Peterson is the most petulant and self-absorbed social media grabber out there.

  12. I really appreciate hearing the impact that all of that had on him. Glad he's sounding okay after all that madness

  13. It is probably like throughout history the persons with this briliant gift of speech arouse love and eventually even new religions..feel so much love when he tries so hard to be true and pronounce the way he understands a problem

  14. I see a lot of angry people in the comments who don't like a man that tells people to take responsibility for themselves. Seems to be a symptom of this entitled, crying victim, generation

  15. love listening to this guy, it's like positive self affirmation, he's so ,much more honest than most people. That is why so many people object, they cling to their lies like a security blanket

  16. 19:59 … one of the things I learned from Jung, which really has never ceased to shock me, was his — see he basically made a point, and the point was that you’re not master in your own house, that there are forces that are operating on you at an unconscious level that determine, for example, the direction of your attention.

    So, for example — you know how sometimes you’ll read something and it’ll really grip you. And then you’ll read something else and like, you can’t even concentrate on it. And you might say, “well I need to concentrate on this boring thing.” You know, because an exam depends on it or a promotion and there’s just no damn way. You’re reading it and your attention flicks all over the place. And you know, you’re undisciplined and all that. But then you have this other thing and it just grips you like this. And you think, “Ok, well what’s doing that?”

    It’s not your will because your will would be the thing that would allow you to concentrate on whatever you chose to concentrate on. It’s something underneath your will that’s actually directing your attention. And you could say, “well it’s random” but of course it’s not. It’s maybe random if you have a serious case of schizophrenia. And I think in some sense that’s actually the definition of schizophrenia but it’s not random if you’re a functioning human being. The thing that grips your attention and directs it to one place or another is something that’s, well it’s a deep instinct, it’s a manifestation of what Jung called the self, which is a very interesting idea. So, Yung thought — it’s such a cool idea — he thought that the mechanism that directed your attention in the present was your future self attempting to manifest itself in the present world.

    So you might say, well, you have a potential and that potential is what you could be in time. And in order for that potential to manifest itself it has to be palpable in the present. And the way that instinct for further development manifests in the present is by directing your attention towards things that are likely to increase your competence and further your growth right now.

    And that’s just an unbelievable idea. You know, it’s like your potential better self beaconing to you in the present. 😮

  17. Many of Jordan Peterson's shares reveals some of our loudest, internal uncertainties as it relates to intent, availability, progress, and change. In fact, I view Peterson’s shares through three extrinsic worth levels: Law, life, and purpose. Worth levels from which we are owned—compelled to represent our individual, personal, and collective intrinsic an extrinsic worth2worth.

    And yes, insightful thoughts provocative enough to stir our minds and hearts to contemplate riithinking, riidesigning, and riifitting law, life, and purpose to at least become: [We—The Active Hopeful.] Not ignorantly against, not naively for, not unrealistically available. Thoughtful, sensible, anxious, angry, able, hopeful—and not at all afraid to attempt the arduous process of riithinking our individual, personal, and collective accountability, responsibility, and ownership of law, life, and purpose. And bold to do so through thought to thought, thought to words, and words to reaction and action. And to choose no reaction or no action if we envision sustainable results from what could work for more of us.

    I embrace Peterson’s contribution because, at sixty-two, his voice helps to shatter those mirrors that still hold reflections of trained fear, toxic-whiting-shame, and self-doubt for being bold enough to riithink individual, personal, and collective recognition, understanding, respect, and acceptance of my own #worth2worth2greater Lifestyle Availability. Yes, I am also pitching personal branding of my own thoughts to everything.

    I am profoundly grateful to Peterson’s kind of mind and heart: A mind and heart attached to honesty and courage in a constant riithinking and sharing mode. As I am no longer able to listen to minds and hearts with an overt, proven history of offering no sustainable worth in law, life, and purpose for more of us. While, with prejudice, demanding worth by their measures of deliberately imposed obstacles: Divisiveness by colour, by gender, by religion, by sexual orientation, by nationality, by economics, by labour, my biased sacrifices and by death for questioning their false glory. Up, down, left, and right—with no honest vision of a centre, to which all are called to contribute as we attempt to balance worth2worth2greater.

  18. How does Jordan Peterson not understand what stereotype threat is as a psychologist.? I respect a lot of what he has to say but he is still trapped by his own bias and belief that he knows better than those who are not in his ingroup (i.e. the left which he carelessly calls insane without any logical justification). Thanks to Jordan, but he still has hidden biases that block his truth.

  19. The Two Wolves Inside Of You

    There Are Two Wolves Inside Of You, Which One Do You Feed.

    Posted on July 15, 2019, by Norman Bliss

    https://westtexasbliss.com/the-two-wolves-inside-of-you/

  20. Yes…those biblical series are the most significant thing you are doing because God is calling to your heart!

  21. I think this is summed up as bots mimic people after knowing what they pay attention to. If their synthetically generated renderings enrage or excite you, bottom line you clicked, are watching and their channel gets monitization, its anonymous and without a creator because they are all sides of the same coin funneling it to themselves based on your outrage or contageous approval, and thats why everything is wacky to an illogical level but with never any comitted identities attatched, like shock jock radio played with VR CG puppets that look like live action footage, except the topics masquerade as serious things but at the core are still petty matters just like a farting radio DJ

  22. You do know "nazi" is a Pejorative….the "Nazis" fought the COMMUNISTS, who were (and ARE) the embodiment of EVIL! Notice how he never evokes the Bolsheviks and their censorship by KILLING everyone that engaged in wrong-speak!

  23. 1:17:11 What the hell! That's a natural reaction to the truth. It's like we all have this chip in our bodies that gets activated whenever we hear the truth. The chip gets activated even when we don't have any mental awareness that what we're dealing with is the truth, somehow our bodies just know… We are surrounded by so much fluff and fakery, that the truth-chip is silent most of the time, and when it's finally stimulated by someone or something, it's quite an experience…

  24. I like CBC online content …. I am not a big fan of Mr. Peterson's view on political correctness and social justice warriors and anti oppression work. I personally feel a person who is cisgender, straight, educated elite and has white privi can easily point out places in law and policy that could infringe upon his ability for free speech. I do enjoy his videos on archetypes, Jung and Rogers. I may be considered, by the political middle, that I am the radical far left. I am interested in hearing from the right and having an open dialogue. I did see the CBC documentary where Mr. Peterson's microphone and amplifier were tampered with to prevent him from speaking. I was disappointed seeing people who are representing themselves as social justice warriors using tactics like blow horns and disabling amplifiers to prevent Mr. Peterson from speaking. I am wondering if what Mr. Peterson experienced with the (I call) hecklers was in part due to age and inexperience in social advocacy. I am just a person, a social worker to be exact. And I could see myself, when I was a much younger social worker, trying to silence someone's speech I felt was oppressive and transphobic. I remember (with a smile) of how I thought of myself and the advocacy I engaged into be world changing. After university and working in "real world" I know my change and work in the world is small – as I am one person. Some have said the work I do is insignificant, while others have called me a marxist and a communist – none of which I find are insults. I can also reflect on Mr. Peterson's videos about Nazi Germany and thinking yes in that time in period I could see my fear receptors in overdrive and possibly comply with the Nazi party at the time. I would like to think I would not be swayed by Hitler as an orator – however I can not say forsure as I was not living in Germany in the 1930s. What does come to my mind is thinking I am happy that I am living in a world where I can listen to Mr. Peterson's speeches and not completely agree with him and have a dialogue about it.

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  26. To listen to Dr. Peterson is truly one of the best things you can ever do. Nobody gives you the real truth like him! It is really scary how ignorant we all are about the society we are living in. We have no idea what is going on in the world today. Thank God people like him gives us reality the way it is!

  27. Title: How Social Media Affects Us

    30 mins later

    Peterson: You know Hitler was particularly good at letting the crowd tell him what to say

  28. Jordan Peterson, is such a well reasoned and well spoken genius. The multitude of connections that he mellifluously highlights is nothing short of enlightening. A humble and polite man with a vigilance for truth.

  29. 1:15:56 I can totally relate. I took a week off for spring cleaning and only got 1/4 of the stuff I wanted to do done. I probably should have just taken one day off instead. If I have too much rope… Also, having been in the military, it’s interesting to see how the military utilize different personality types. Certain personalities perform well in highly disciplined and regimented environments and it’s when they are left to their own devices they fall apart.

  30. Such an important discussion. Social Media for me is a Social Cancer that needs to be checked before we erode all of our intelligence and critical thinking into the great black hole

  31. I think Peterson is right when he says that conflict is ultimate determinant in what/whose collective perception will be the final reality. I think that's precisely where we are as a world, divided between a globalist model of new serfdom, and the one our ancestors' fought and died for; that of the nation state and national sovereignty. The proof is this push by Leftist to force individuals under one large, corrupt, government's control, and the repudiation that has resulted in such movements like: Brexit, the French Yellow Vests, previous Australian election, Salvini, Bolsonaro, TRUMP, etc. Unfortunately, my view is, based on a close look at history, that this divide only ends with violence. Mexico is currently trying to annex America without violence via the exploitation of their own children who are being used as sex objects and shields by the invaders trying to take over the territory silently by numbers alone. It's no different than what the Germanic tribes did inside of Rome before they sacked it. Muslims are also setting up their own nation within America and have their own laws. Their mission is the same as it was when they did precisely this in Spain for 800 years. So I don't see why all of a sudden we'd be beyond the kind of responses that have been the only response by humanity for such events for thousands of years. We're certainly not more intellectual than our recent ancestors. Not even close. Our National IQ has dropped by 20 points since the 1960's and mass immigration.

  32. I've been thinking about this video.

    I had a conversation with my mom about what things we like when she was young. She was 13 in 1990, so she got to experience the tech revolution first hand. I mentioned that my kids probably wont know what cable is, because today we have the internet and YouTube.

    It occurred to me that my kids probably wont watch Saturday morning cartoons.

    That deeply saddens me.

  33. He goes off topic a lot, but the scenario here is akin to all the cousins getting together to sit in front of grandpa's easy chair and listen to him speak. We hang on to every word.

  34. 1:02:46 btw the person Jordan talked about here, in that video he talked about, also said "do you really think you are worth all that time" to Dr. Peterson less than 2 minutes after stating that "I have watched ALL of your videos on YouTube" . Tells you how organized and articulate this person is.

    And I'd recommend you go watch the video analysis done by Charisma On Command rather than the original video, because I personally regret clicking and watching the whole first 5 minutes of the original video and hope that my viewing of the it helped this person gaining absolutely nothing financially.

  35. You are watching one of the few “New Renaissance Men” that the last century has produced! You have a way of presenting that reels us in with the cheer amount of factual evidence. I salute you even though i might sometimes not agree entirely. Keep enlightening us!

  36. You have blown my mind. I hated myself, now I want to listen so I can become the voice of enquiry that leads me astray from others back to me.

  37. 140 souls have given this video the thumbs down 👎🏻….. who ever you are read the comment of Patrick G! Then go get yourselves a tad of perspective. May you all succeed in your lives

  38. Before I was introduced to JBP by my 30 year old youngest son, I was in hell! That was two years ago. I got the future authoring program at 57 years old!
    I cleaned up my room! I got rid of all of the things that I knew were doing me harm in my life. A toxic relationship, alcohol, opioids and people who certainly did not want me to get well! I owe my future outlook on life to Jordan B Peterson.
    God bless this man.

  39. what about youtuber sv3ridge Jordan? what if u inspired him to extreme carnivore activities through your moral amplifications?

  40. 35:08 aside from the hero's journey story the idea of doing something badly at first rather than put it off until you think you must be perfect is the one thing that saved my life. Before that I was too ashamed to do something unless I could do it perfectly and you can imagine the consequences of that. If I had known that my whole life would have been different. But I was raised with the concept someone has to stop you from making a fool of yourself.

  41. Its funny how something designed to enslave us, as they plan to have us all make payment on documents over the internet ,already you can load any thing with out agreeing to there terms, and contract, Is actually teaching the likes of my self and milionsof others that the world is wrong in some places, hiostory truthers, awakenings, by passing BIAS media, who are so controlled, their jobs are on the line, and rightly so as thye like us have a choice, more than there jobs worth mentality or integrity the likes of Jordan Perteson Julian Assaugue and so so many more John Harrison suicided fore truth Kordon Maxwell dispelling religoen and so so many more, thank you all for adding to each moment of my awakening, my mind is always growing now, fomr some one who to my dismay allowed others to put me down, to out growing there concept of my self, I do not know where this is leading me but I feel its will have enlightiment near the end both in spirit and afterlife, maybe this is the test we all are given, to break free from greedy power hungry war mongering control to awakening that puts us behond there enslavery,?
    THANK YOU ALL FOR MY AWAKENING 🙂

  42. social media needs to be re-named anti-social media, sure it brings a quick connect, but also a huge simultaneous disconnect
    Think about it – only one communication modality is being used – thought. No voice tone, feeling, body language, eye contact
    It creates a depersonalised form of communication where both the sender and recipient are inherently seperated from the dialogue.
    This separation from the person is what drives dis-inviduation on platforms like reddit and youtube – aka the "anonymous asshole" effect

  43. 1.2 million downloads a month is 15 million downloads a year, not 1.5 billion downloads. First time I've heard a gaffe so bad from Jordan Peterson it gives me doubts. This is an unforgivable mistake.

  44. You would be surprised how much negative personal misery I see in my feed. Pictures of people in hospitals, rants of depression and neurosis. AI will pattern our biases.

  45. Oh please, no more biblical lectures. We cannot go back there Jordan. You are great and right about a lot of things, but we are not going back there.

  46. Jordan Peterson is my Jesus. And yes I have thought about what it means saying that statement. I only wish Jordan wont be crucified for our sins.

  47. Jordan — You would like my history on facebook which facebook has documented every word and move I have made but not what their harassing monitors have done including blowing up my computer on September 14th, 2018. This also reminds me of the same kind of non-sense that was threatening your professor position. ~~~ Let me know if this is interesting to you as to your knowledge of facebook as a social media.

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